Re: More PEL clarification ZZZZZZ:-)

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom & Barbara Brown) wrote:

> 
> "Chris Rockcliffe" 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] in message
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> ..
> >
> > Perhaps the PEL law experts here could clarify 
> > something to me.
> >
> > How are the very large number of private (i.e. 
> > registered member) clubs
> > affected by this Licensing Bill?  Many of these types 
> > of venues are
> already
> > hosting events which are part of the wider folk music 
> > scene.
> >
> > I'm talking about Working Mens' Clubs; politically 
> > affiliated clubs -
> Labour
> > Liberal and Conservative; British Legion and various Ex 
> > Servicemens'
> Clubs,
> > Sports clubs - including Golf, Cricket and Rugby etc. 
> > Are all affected by
> > the Bill or not - and if so how?
> >
> > Are some of them exempted for entertainments provided 
> > for members only;
> but
> > for a public would require a PEL?  Many of these clubs 
> > have function rooms
> > and stages and have live bands etc
> >
> > One of the "concessions" won by the CIU in the pre 
> > Licensing Bill
> > "negotiations" - as I understand it - was their new 
> > ability under the new
> > system to be allowed to have up to 12 public hirings in 
> > a given year.
> > Presumably this was a sweetener to help them recover 
> > some additional costs
> > and perhaps also to avoid any organised dissention on 
> > their part.
> >
> > However, the CIU - to which very many of these are 
> > affiliated - on its
> > website, seems to say that PELs are not needed by such 
> > private clubs.
> There
> > is total confusion at present about what is to happen.
> 
> I wouldn't say we're law experts, Chris, but from our 
> reading of the act,
> which we did pretty thoroughly as we had to run a 
> festival workshop on it,
> our conclusion was that any club, private or otherwise, 
> will require a
> license if there is any entertainment provided for 
> members of the club or
> the public.
> 
> Anyone know any different, and if so, please clarify 
> further!
> 
> Barbara
> 
> 
> 
Slight side issue, but I heard on the Today prog on R4 this 
morning the suggestion that Carol Singers will have to get a 
licence or risk prosecution. I'd really love to see some 
council jobsworth force a case like to come to court. And if 
they don' do it, then they show the law is an ass.