Re: the stupidest Bible story -- "God's nature".

On 2 Oct 2003 08:03:38 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JoeCool) wrote:

>Thomas P. <[EMAIL PROTECTED],> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>> On 1 Oct 2003 08:01:53 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JoeCool) wrote:
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>> >Date: 30 Sep 2003 10:43:44 -0700
>> >Organization: http://groups.google.cowith only the good path to follow,
>> >> >their is no choice.  
>> >> 
>>  
>> >> He could point out to each and every person what path is the good
>> >> path. 
>> > 
>>  
>> >He Does
>> 
>> No, he does not.   You may believe that we have all received some
>> clear message from your god, but you have no way to prove it; and, by
>> the way, I can assure you that you are wrong.
>
>The message is there, in many forms, not just christianity.  Truth is
>truth but some choose to close their eyes.

That is merely your claim.  You have no evidence for any of it and
especially none for what others are thinking.


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>> >
>> >He could also make each person smart enough to understand where
>> >> his interests are - or perhaps ignorance is also part of god's plan.
>> >
>>  
>> >Christians are smarter than non Christians?
>> 
>> 
>> Are Christians perfect?  If not your question makes no sense.  If true
>> then the problem still remains doesn't it?
>

>It is not "our" intrests that Christians should be concerned with but
>the intrests of others.  And yes he made us smart enough to know where
>others intrests are, 


The above is both silly and arrogant.

>but back to the free choice we do not always
>choose to love others.

Your complete failure to address what was said is no surprise.



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>> 
>> >> 
>> >> >He could have created a world of automated drones
>> >> >programed not to do evil, but he created us in his image, 
>> >> 
>> >> Oh, does god do evil?  Oh, right, he does; the Bible says so.
>>  
>> >God allows evil to exists, we do the evil> 
>> 
>> That is not what the Bible says.  Furthermore it must be good if it is
>> required as you claim it is.
>>

>The bible says many things, many contridicting what was earlier said,
>(sorry literalists)  however, Jesus does not contricict himself, his
>message is clear.


I see.  The Bible is not to be relied upon, but the message of Jesus,
which is contained in the Bible, is clear.  


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>> >> 
>> >> >I believe
>> >> >this refers to free will more than apperance.
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> And to doing evil, right?
>> >
>>  
>> >God does not do evil, he allows us to do it, and I am sure it saddens
>> >him when we chose to do so.
>> 
>> Why would it sadden him when, as you say, it is necessary so that we
>> will know what good is?
>

>good point, it saddens him when we repeatedly choose to do evil.

How much evil would make him happy?


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>> >
>> >  After all, as you indicated in the
>> >> beginning of your post, evil is necessary.  We are actually doing good
>> >> when we do evil.  We would not know what good was without evil,
>> >> therefore evil is really good; which means that there is no evil.
>> >> OOPS!     
>> >
>>  
>> >Evil necessary?  hmmmm? I guess in the same way that 
>> >liver and other foods that me want to blow are necessary so that I can
>> >enjoy chocolate and beer.  If everything tasted like chocolate and
>> >beer would we still enjoy them?>
>> 
>> Then you confirm your claim that evil is necessary.  It must be good
>> then.  If nobody committed evil, we would not know what good was (your
>> argument).  Therefore people who commit evil are doing everybody a
>> favor and are actually doing good (logical consequence of your
>> argument).
>

>You are confusing necessary and good, and necessary with inevitable.
>evil will happen, does that make it necessary? No, free choice is
>necessary, evil is a byproduct. Does that make it Good? Absoulatly not

What you said was that without evil we would not know what good is.
You now change your story, but it doesn't help much.  Does evil come
from good?  You just said evil is a byproduct of free choice.  If free
choice is good, then what necessarily comes from free choice must be
good.


Thomas P.

"That there are manes, a subterranean kingdom, a ferryman with a long pole, and black 
frogs in the whirlpools 
of the Styx; that so many thousand men could cross the waves in a single boat, today 
even children refuse to believe."

Juvenal