Re: Evidences of God

On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 00:33:16 GMT, Jeremy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Message ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
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>Josef Balluch wrote:
>
>
>>>I feel that evidence shows us that the universe had a 
>>>beginning.
>>>
>>>So if the universe had a beginning,  ...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> So, ummmmmm ......  where's the evidence for a beginning? You did
>> claim that you were going to present evidence.
>
>Do you want me to go into this?  I can, but a lot of other people seem 
>to already accept this as a true statement.
>
>>>When I look at the option of it not being caused, I don't see this as a 
>>>logical option.  If something did not cause the universe to be created, 
>>>then it would have had to come from nothing.
>> 
>> Why is that a problem?
>
>See next paragraph.
>
>>>The laws of science show that matter can not come from nothing.  If I 
>>>accept that matter can come from nothing, that puts the rest of science 
>>>in an very odd position.
>>>So I come to the conclusion that something had to cause the beginning of 
>>>the universe.
>> 
>> Not at all. You seem to be confusing matter with the universe. The 
>> universe is more than matter.
>
>I should have said matter/energy.  That is really what I am referring to 
>here.  The universe is also made up of time.
>
>>>If you want to debate this second step further, again, 
>>>feel free to spin off a thread on that.
>> 
>> IOW, you are saying that it is an assumption that you do not intend to
>> support here.
>
>No, it is a discussion that I am more than willing to have, but because 
>I know a number of people will agree with this point, I want to move on. 
>   Again, if you want to stop and discuss this, we can.  Just say so.
>
>>>Now, if something did cause the beginning of the universe, what was the 
>>>cause?  Was it some mechanic of science that we know don't know about yet?
>> 
>> That would be a reasonable assumption.
>
>That takes faith in science that science alone can answer all questions.

Pure unadultrated rubbish as well as a dishonest bait and switch in the
meaning of 'faith.'

Science is a tool, a methodology, nothing more.

>> The Argument from Design has been dead for more than 200 years. It was
>> trashed by David Hume. Do you have a refutation for Hume's argument?
>> 
>> http://www.aetheronline.com/mario/RS/ID1.htm
>> 
>> http://www.aetheronline.com/mario/RS/ID2.htm
>
>Reading it now.  I will post a response later.

         

   
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