Re: Evidences of God

Jeremy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> Please read the post "Evidences of God - Preface" before reading this post.
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Jeremy,
First let me say it is very bold, maybe even brave, of you to come to
Alt.Atheism with such an argument.  But I, at least, appreciate the
effort.  I've searched for a healthy forum where atheists and theists
can respectfully discuss/debate their differences without digression
into ad hominem attacks, insults, and plain 'ole meaness.  I've yet to
find it, but I welcome your argument here.

Having said that...argument by design is not a new argument; and
though it proves nothing, it is an interesting exercise in philosophy.

My first response to your argument is:  how do you come to the
conclusion that the universe had a beginning but "god" did not?  If
the universe was designed and created by *god when did he/she/it
begin?  Who designed him/her/it?  It seems to me that the same logic
that forbids you from accepting the possibility that universe always
existed should be the same logic that applies to the "designer" - thus
logic would dictate that he/she/it should similiarly have had a
beginning.

How can you ignore the blatant question of "when/where/how did god
begin" - but consider first the question of design "when/where/how did
the universe begin"?
Crafty

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