Re: Purgatory?

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On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:14:12 -0500, Joseph Geloso
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>On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 05:10:11 -0800, John W
><john_weatherly47<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>Joe wrote:
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>>>I don't know what your standards are, nor why you in particular will
>>>want to come to the True Faith, if indeed you ever do. I do know that
>>>you are a human being, and God is God. He is Omnipotent, and you are
>>>not. Thus, He is perfectly capable of revealing the whole truth to
>>>you, and all you have to do on your part is cooperate with His graces.
>>
>>Right backatcha, 
>
>O.K.
>
>>  If the above applies to non-Roman [Catholics]
>>it applies to the Roman [Catholic Church] as well!
>
>Indeed it does!
>
>>
>>John W
>>
>>>
>>>May He bring you into the fulness of the Truth! Amen!
>>
>>He already has. 
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>Quite pointedly, not.
>
>>It's YOU that needs the Truth revealed. Mary isn't a
>>god. 
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>That's Catholic Dogma -- Mary isn't a god. True.
>
>> And I've heard too many of you pagans say, "Mary is the 4th
>>person of the Trinity." 
>
>Pagans might say that, though I think pagans would be more likely to
>see her as a "Goddess." Catholics see her as the Mother of God, which
>is who she is. She is a human creature, incomparably blessed among all
>human creatures, but a creature, nonetheless.
>
>> Bull crap and HERESY!!! 
>
>That's accurate -- it is heresy to think Our Blessed Mother is any
>part of God -- she's not. The Catholic Church says she's not.
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>> I've heard that a
>>dozen times if I've heard it once. From Catholics!
>
>They were way off base, then.
>
>>  And when you decide you are up to some TRUTH, I'll show you what a
>>crock "purgatory" is.
>
>As I said in another post, give it a go. I will read what you come up
>with.

Sorry to have missed this. For some reason seems everybody in here
wants a piece of me. Perhaps that's a good thing. 

At any rate,


There are three stories that resolve the question of "purgatory", and
it does not exist.

The thief was told he'd be in Heaven that very day. If he did not go
to Heaven that very day, God lied.


Paul said that he'd suffered so much he'd "choose to leave us and be
with God." That was IMMEDIATE. He didn't mention "going to purgatory
and waiting." If Paul wouldn't know, who would? I apologize for being
unable to find the reference at this time, but I will find it and post
it if you don't find it in the interim.


Finally,
When Lazarus, the poor man, died, he went to heaven IMMEDIATELY. He
looked over and saw the rich man in hell.

For those who think Lazarus is a fable, even if that were true (it's
not), why would Jesus tell the story and include details that were
untrue?

The Bible says that when we die, we go immediately into the presence
of God.


Oh!  A 4th!  The Mt of Transfiguration proves there's no purgatory.

Think about that one.


John W