Re: Purgatory?

"John W @yahoo.com>" <john_weatherly47<no> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:58:15 GMT, "Christopher Robin"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >"John W @yahoo.com>" <john_weatherly47<no> wrote in message
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> >> On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 03:54:59 GMT, "Daniel S. Vieira"
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >> >vince garcia wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> This is a real problem for catholic apologists. The usual fall back
> >> >> position is that in that, since God can do anything, people changed
in
> >> >> the twinkling of an eye people will still undergo the amount of time
in
> >> >> purgatory they otherwise would have, so it'll seem like a twinkling
of
> >> >> an eye to some people when it's actually an indefinite period in
> >> >> purgatory before the visible change is made...
> >> >
> >> >Actually, there is no real reason to believe that a person
> >> >spends "time" in purgatory.
> >> >
> >> >Purgation is something that happens in the afterlife, but
> >> >time is part of the space/time continuum of this universe.
> >> >Ergo, "time" really has no meaning in the spiritual world.
> >> >
> >> >There were mideval Catholic theologians that speculated that
> >> >a person "goes" to Purgatory, and "spends time" there being
> >> >consumed in flames.  This idea is speculation -- there is
> >> >no official teaching from the RCC that a person "goes"
> >> >anywhere and spends "time" in flames.  All we know about
> >> >Purgatory is that it is something almost all Christians
> >> >must experience (since almost none of us die in such a
> >> >state of perfection where all our sins are wiped out of
> >> >our souls, and that's good Protestant doctrine -- "simul
> >> >iustus et peccator").  As just about no one dies in a
> >> >state of perfected sanctification, sins must be done
> >> >away with -- no sin, nor anything unclean, enters heaven.
> >> >
> >> >A better view of Purgatory can be found here:
> >> >
> >> >http://www.cin.org/users/james/files/how2purg.htm
> >> >
> >> >Daniel
> >>
> >> You CONTINUE to defend "purgatory", which is a demonic concept needing
> >> no defense. If it isn't in the Bible, why do you believe it?  Isn't
> >> the Bible sufficient?
> >>
> >The Bible doesn't say it's sufficient.  It says it's PROFITABLE.
>
> Heresy!
FACT.  The Bible quite clearly states it is PROFITABLE.  Nowhere does it say
it is sufficient.

Where does the Bible specifically state it is sufficient.

> What about the Bible is insufficient?  Does it not guide us to God and to
salvation by faith?
>
I never said the Bible is insufficient.  I pointed out that the Bible states
it is PROFITABLE.  Not sufficient.

The fact that the Bible itself states that not everything is contained in
the Bible clearly indicates it is not the ONLY thing.  The FACT that the
Bible indicates that the CHURCH is the pillar and foundation of truth shows
otherwise.

1 Tim 3:14-15
14Although I hope to come to you soon, I am writing you these instructions
so that, 15if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct
themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God, the
pillar and foundation of the truth.