Re: The evil fruits of bad Karma

"Riku Simonen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> "Evelyn Ruut" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > "Riku Simonen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > > If the Law of Karma truly exists than poor, handicapped, mentally ill
> > > etc. people are just "enjoying" the evil fruits of his/her previous
> > > evil action. What a disturbing thought what is hard to accept.
> > >
> > > Riku
> >
> > Dear Riku,
> >
> > That is a misunderstanding of karma.   It is one possibility, but I have
> > heard of bodhisattvas who have chosen to complete their karma by taking
on
> > such a life, or who chose to appear as such to test people.
> >
> > But all of that completely aside, I have also seen a bit of buddhist
> > scripture which says it is incorrect to try and figure out karma from
that
> > point of view.
>
>   Could you tell us what scripturess you are referring to?
>
> > At the very least it is quite uncompassionate, and at the worst it could
> > bring karma of its own to regard unfortunates in this way.
> >
> > Karma is simply cause and effect.   It isn't always necessarily bad deed
for
> > bad deed, like exactly an eye for an eye.    Perhaps someone else may
> > explain this situation better, or better yet provide the bit of buddhist
> > scripture in which it states it is unwise to try and figure out karmic
past
> > actions by the results.
>
> Let's see what Buddha teached us in Dhammapada
>
> Chapter 1,v.1 Mind foreruns all evil conditions, mind is chief,
> mind-made are thye; if one speaks or acts with wicked mind, because of
> that, pain pursues  him, even as the wheel follows the hoof of the
> draught ox.
>
> Ch.9, v. 119 Even an evil-doer sees good so long as evil ripens not;
> but when it bears fruit, then he sees the evil result.
>
> v.127 Not is the sky, nor in mid-ocean, nor on entering a mountain
> cave,  is found that pace on earth, where abiding one may escape from
> (the consequences of) an evil deed.
>
> Ch.10 v. 137-140 He who with rod harms the rodless and harmless, soon
> will come to one of these states:
> He will be subjected to acute pain, disaster, bodily injury, or even
> grievous sickness, or loss of mind, or oppression by the king, or
> heavy accusation, or loss of relatives, or destruction of wealth, or
> ravaging fire that will burn his houses...
>
> IMHO Dhammapada should be taken seriously since it is Buddhas original
> (or nearly original) teaching to us. Dhammapada does clearly says that
> evil deeds leads to pain (in this or next life(s).
>
> IMHO you are trying to explain away the evil fruits of bad Karma. If
> you has done lots of evil in his previous life, he or she is lucky to
> born as human being.
>
>
> Riku


Hi again Riku,

Did you read Ludwig's reply in this thread?   I agreed with his description
very well.   I also agreed with Cup o'tea that it is pointless to get too
attached to views about things like karma.   That said, I don't have a
scriptural reference, but I have definitely seen it.  It is foolishness to
ascribe blame to someone for being unfortunate.   Life has already treated
them unkindly.

Regards,
-- 
Evelyn

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