Re: Please do this beneficial service for yourselves.

"Randy Burns" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> Presumably an appointment must follow the time honored requirement of
being
> in plain language.  Mason Remey was appointed to the IBC, an embryonic
> institution which was no more effective then a mock up design of a new
> aeroplane.  Thus the question revolves around the idea of a "secret"
> appointment, or of secret meanings not obvious to most.  And there is
really
> no way of proving the intentions of Shoghi Effendi in regards to this.


I agree there is no way of "proving the intentions" of the first Guardian.
I disagree that it was a "secret" appointment.  Rather, it was obscured.

> > If you are investigating in good faith, then you should direct your
> > investigation back onto the Hands.  What authority did they have to take
> > over the affairs and claim to have succeeded to the powers of the
> Guardian?
> > The message you quoted from Shoghi Effendi about protecting the Faith
does
> > not grant the Hands administrative authority.to expel the Guardian and
> take
> > over the Faith, and that is exactly what they did.
>
> Technically they were expelling a fellow Hand and I think they were
> empowered to do this by the Will & Testament.  For Mason Remey to become
the
> Second Guardian he would have needed to be both appointed by the Guardian
> and then confirmed by at least nine Hands of the Cause as stated
explicitly
> in the W&T.

We differ on these points.  I have quoted Shoghi Effendi in the past on the
issue of 1) confirmation by the nine Hands did not mean that the Hands could
over-rule the appointment.  At the time Mason was appointed, there were no
Hands. 2) Shoghi Effendi specifically stated that the Hands could not expel
anyone until he granted them this right (which he never did).  Once Shoghi
Effendi died, the Hands could not have had the authority to do anything
since they are supposed to take direction from the Guardian "as explicitly
stated in the W & T".

Jeffrey