Re: CAN YOU SEE IT YET JERRY???

Jerry Joplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> Rod wrote:
> > Once more-  
> > An attack on the Baha'i community prompted by and
> > designed to discredit/damage the writings, the central figures
> > or the institutions would be an example of an attack on both
> > community and faith.  
> 
> The example (if you can see it Rod) is the attack on the Iranian Baha'i 
> community which is an attack on the whole of the faith.
> 
Oh I see...you ask us for the criteria and when we put it up you 
reject it and establish your own....how long do you estimate this
cul de sac will be Jerry?

> > You alledge I have "attacked" the community and the faith.
> > You have failed to provide justification or substantiation
> > for either claim.
> 
> Yes, I will as soon as you can identify attributes of an attack on the 
> community, which make it an attack on the faith.

I did just that-"identify attributes of an attack on the community".
Now you wish to narrow the hypothetical attack down to the Iranian
community.

Ok Jerry...you cheat and I'll still play.

There are a number of instances in which an attack on the Iranian
Baha'i community *would not* be an attack on the whole faith-

Example 1/ Any individual/gang criminal activity that involved
         theft, frauad robery of Iranian Baha'is that was indiferent
         to thier religious beliefs and motivated by nothing more
         than illegal gain.

        2/ Any attack on members of the Iranian Baha'i community
         (from within or without) that was motivated by 'family,
          buisness, tribal or regional fued- indifferent to religious
          belief.

        3/ Any attack/criticism/complaint that was directed towards
          members of the Iranian Baha'i community based on actual 
          wrongdoing...or reasonable suspicion of illegal activity
          based on evidance. Pursuit, arrest, convition of Iranian
          Baha'i criminals may be percieved to be an "attack" upon
         them...but if these activities are conducted in the course 
          of duty by the authorities and indifferent to religious
          belief then this also fails to be an attack on the 'whole
          faith'.

Three "identified attributes of an attack on the  community" that 
eliminate "attack on the whole faith".


Identify attributes of an attack on the [Iranian Baha'i] community, 
which make it an attack on the faith.?

Ok

If one member of the Iranian Baha'i community publicly and
repeatedly accuses another member of the Iranian Baha'i 
community of having "attacked the whole Baha'i faith" and
then repeatedly refuses to explain, justify or substantiate
his allegation these are the "attributes of the attack"-

The accused individual community member has been attacked.
The community has been attacked by being brought into 
disrepute by the false allegation.
The principles of the faith have been ignored and violated
by the ongoing evasive and abusive behaviour of the accuser.
If the witnessing Baha'i community stands idle and ignores
the serious public allegation then the core Baha'i principles 
of truth and justice are also under attack.

Any and all efforts [by Baha'is of any nationality] to 
repeatedly cut, ignore and otherwise evade the arguements 
allready articulated  also constitute an attack on the
individual, the community and the faith.

Hack away Jerry....every cut, every evasion proves my 
arguement.