Re: From Shia & sufi theology. RE What does "al Hamdulillah." mean

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> From Shia & sufi theology. RE What does  "al Hamdulillah." mean
>
> Contrary to Pats statement that "alHamdulillah" is only a religious
> word used by Sunni Islam,

Perhaps you could cite the message and quote me where I said "that "alHamdulillah"
is only a religious word used by Sunni Islam"?  I don't recall writing that at all.
I recall saying "alHamdulillah" appeared to be an Arabic expression about praising
God.

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Lots of Arabic speaking people would use the term.  Even this Christian
missionary in Egypt used the term Hamdullah while attending some Presbyterian
school over there:

    "My typical day for the last 3 weeks has consisted of reporting to work in
    the morning; coming home for a quick bite of lunch; and then 4 hours of
    Arabic lessons in the late afternoon/early evening. "Hamdullah" (Arabic
    for "praise God") for my teammate Julie and I work together and have
    commuted together in the women's car of the metro. Hamdullah also for
    the women's car, which is usually the first two cars designated only for
    women. As you may recall, I am working as the Admin Assistant to the
    Executive Director; however, most of what I have been doing so far is
    attending meetings and talking with other staff and volunteers of the
    Joint Relief Ministry (JRM). "
http://www.pcusa.org/missionconnections/letters/yav_changc_0210.htm

This occidental guy associates the phrase "alHamdulillah" with chewing qat in
Yemen, rather than a distinctively Muslim perspective:

http://www.virtualtourist.com/m/tt/15070/

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I even recall saying that related expressions could be said by all sorts of people:

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The phrase is used wherever one might say "Praise be to God" by those who
speak Arabic, regardless of wether they are Jews, Christians, Muslims, Druze,
or Baha'i, or agnostic.

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What I had said about the recitation of "alHamdulillah" as a religious practice, was
simply to comment on the text which you provided describing the practice of reciting
"al Hamdulillah, Allahu Akbar, Subhan-Allah" 33 times each day, citing the Sunnah,
rather than Shiah or Sufi sources, even though you seemed to be arguing that this
was a Shia and/or Sufi practice.

> Inclosed is proof that "alHamdulillah" is
> used in Shia Islam as
> well.........................................Errol
>
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I never had any doubt whatsoever that the Shia Muslims would praise God.  I am
surprised that anyone might even make such a suggestion.

>
> in article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 23/11/03 6:11 am:
>
> > in article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Pat Kohli at
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 22/11/03 11:28 pm:
> >
> >> This says _nothing_ to your allegation that  "Allahu Abha" 95 times
> each
> >> day   is based on Sufis and/or Shiahs reciting "Alhamdulillah,
> Allahu
> >> Akbar, Subhan-Allah" 33 times each day as it appears some Sunnis do
> >> .  Are you  conceding that point?
> >

George, simple "yes" or "no" time here:  do you concede that the practice of
reciting "al Hamdulillah, Allahu Akbar, Subhan Allah" is an element of the Sunni
Muslim tradition?  That is what _your_ source on the matter said.

>
> > All those "Arabic" terms are from *ISLAMIC TRADITIONS* (both Sunni &
> > Shia) but it is a well known Babism & Bahaism came straight out of
> > Shi'ism & Sufism. Sufism has many pathways which interconnect many
> > sects of Islam. http://www.uga.edu/islam/Sufism.html
> >
> > Drawing upon and interpreting ***ISLAMIC TRADITIONS***
> > http://bahai-library.org/encyclopedia/greatest.name.html
> >
> > Here is proof Babis recited : 'Allah-u-Akbar  along with many other
> > arabic praises to God....................................................Errol
> >
> > .to carry out the Bab's injunction to His followers and to repeat
> > nineteen times, each night, each of the following invocations:
> > 'Allah-u-Akbar,'[99] 'Allah-u-A'zam,'[100] 'Allah-u-Ajmal,'[101]
> > 'Allah-u-Abha,'[102] and 'Allah-u-Athar.'[103][104]
> > http://bahai-library.org/unpubl.articles/disconnected.html