The Bahai technique. Re: Erroll is like a sliver.

in article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dermod Ryder at
grim_reaper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 23/11/03 12:12 pm:

> "Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Reading these little quirps by Erroll is like sitting on a seat
full of
>> splinters. You first thing you notice is the pain in your butt. The
second
>> is the difficulty you have at trying to get rid of it. The third is
the
>> festering caused by it the longer it stays around.
> 
> A doctor writes: -
> 
> We are genuinely sorry and concerned that you have and have had for some
> time, painful and festering buttocks.  I am told there is no worse condition
> known to A Onion science other than a septic head or a Stage XII.  Are you a
> BIGS?  I ask, because, for some strange reason, this condition is most
> prevalent and painful amongst that tribe, though not unknown among others.
> Some believe it has reached epidemic proportions which might explain why so
> many BIGS only achieve relief by standing up to give interminable talks to
> the faithful.  The faithful, of course, aren't there anymore.
> 
> Suffering, as they do, from the same condition, it is of course most painful
> and, in more than one way, to sit and listen to some boring old fart, whose
> primary aim is achieving relief for his festered buttocks.  So the
> unfaithful, for the first time in ecclestiastical history, have, rather than
> continue to endure, voted with their asses and removed themselves from the
> source of irritation and infection.
> 
> There are many strains of this condition and identified examples abound,
> Juanitis (still about but much less aggressive), Freethoughtitis (now felt
> to be extinct), Glaysheritis (for which there is no treatment) etc.  The
> recommended treatment for these was Maneckium, even though there were no
> observed palliative effects.  Erroriumitis is a recently identified
> sub-strain which mutated from a specific vaccine, Errorium, developed by the
> AO.  The vaccine was however totally ineffectual whilst the mutant form has
> irritant qualities at most.  Symptoms can be alleviated with copious doses
> of Maneckium.
> 
> Reaperitis has been (and continues to be) the most virulent of the modern
> strains, is a known antidote to Erroriumitis and has defied all prior
> attempts to control it, especially with Maneckium, including the recent
> introduction of Janisium, which has simply betrayed its origins in and
> similarities to Valium.  Some, apparently acquired, immunity to Reaperism
> has been reported, possibly linked to its ability to counteract the effects
> of Erroriumitis.  However, just as this was reported, a seeming co-strain
> emerged in the form of Roditis, which has defied all attempts by Maneckium
> and Janisium to control it. The former was so ineffective that it has been
> withdrawn and the latter is slowly wheezing to a standstill. Whilst prior
> strains were reported as splinters, apparently applying a Rod to the
> buttocks leaves dirty, great big and utterly painful weals.
> 
> Have you consulted a doctor?  There's a lot of that about, as well,
> especially in BIGSland.
>
If he does consult a doctor he will be instructed in the The Bahai
Technique already suffered by ex-bahais listed below............Errol

The Bahai Technique - Ad Hominem, Libel, Slander, Demonize, Scapegoat,
Ostracize, Shun, Banish, Backbite, Defame, Vilify, Discredit, Smear,
Revile, Suppress, Attack, Bully, Intimidate, Threaten, Malign,
Blackball,
Coerce, Silence, Harass... etc., etc.... CAUTION NON-BAHAIS
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During the last decade or two a number of observers have noted
common methods many fundamentalists among my fellow bahais
use to avoid various issues or discredit people who hold opinions
other than their own:
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OXFORD ENGLISH DICTIONARY. "Scapegoat (Lev. xvi) 1. Invented
by Tindale 1530.... One of the two goats that was chosen by Lot to be
sent
away into the wilderness, the sins of the people having been
symbolically
laid upon it, while the other was appointed to be sacrificed. 2. One
who is
blamed or punished for the sins of others. 1867 Freeman, He has been
made the scapegoat for many of the sins both of other individuals and
of
the whole nation."
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Scapegoat.htm
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Alison Marshall, 2002:
"I think the documentation illustrates how the Baha'i administration
secretly watches, reports on and records the activities and views
of members it sees as a threat. This spying can go on for years
without the member knowing and despite general assurances to
the contrary. When it suits the administration to act, it can
summarily disenrol the person at any time and without any notice.
In such circumstances, 'counselling' will comprise any communication
that member has had with the institutions, whatever its nature,
purpose
and timing. This action will be accompanied by a backbiting campaign
designed to destroy the member's reputation in the community. I think
members of the Baha'i community, and those contemplating joining it,
have a right to know how the Baha'i administration behaves." [2002]
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/AlisonMarshall.htm

Professor Juan Cole, University of Michigan, June 12, 1998:
"Let me ask you why in the world you think that I would risk my
professional reputation by publicly stating falsehoods? ...The very
technique of the more glaze-eyed among these people is to
unbearably bully a Baha'i whom they don't like, use unjustified
threats of declaring him or her a CB [Covenant Breaker (heretic)]
to silence the individual, and if the person will not be silenced,
then to depend upon the gullibility of the Baha'is in refusing to
listen to any victim's story because, of course, the Baha'i
institutions
are infallible and divinely guided and could never do anything wrong.
It is a perfect racket. Of course, this technique of making liberals
go
away has been enormously successful, and ex-Baha'i liberals have
no credibility with the remaining Baha'is nor do most of them have
any energy to continue to make a case, either to the Baha'is or the
outside world, for the incredible abuses that go on inside this
organization ostensibly committed to tolerance!"
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Cole10.htm

Professor Juan Cole, February 23, 1999:
"There is nothing to be puzzled by. Right wing Baha'is only like to
hear the
sound of their own voices (which are the only voices they will admit
to
being "Baha'i" at all). Obviously, the world is so constructed that
they
cannot in fact only hear their own voices. They are forced to hear
other
voices that differ from theirs. This most disturbs them when the
voices
come from enrolled Baha'isor when the voices speak of the Baha'i
faith.
The way they sometimes deal with the enrolled Baha'is is to summon
them
to a heresy inquiry and threaten them with being shunned if they do
not
fallsilent. With non-Baha'is or with ex-Baha'is, they deal with their
speech
about the faith by backbiting, slandering and libelling the speaker.
You
will note that since I've been on this list I have been accused of
long-term heresy, of "claiming authority," of out and out lying
(though that was retracted, twice), of misrepresentation, of 'playing
fast and loose with the facts,' and even of being 'delusional.' I have
been accused of all these falsehoods by *Baha'is*, by prominent
Baha'is.
I have been backbitten by them. This shows that all the talk about the
danger a sharp tongue can do, all the talk about the need for harmony,
for returning poison with honey, for a sin-covering eye, is just
*talk*
among right wing Baha'is. No one fights dirtier than they when they
discover
a voice they cannot silence and cannot refute. Paul Johnson
has seen all these things, as well, for the past five years.
He can explain it to you."
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Cole71.htm

Professor Juan Cole, 12/5/2002:
"The purpose of having this system where it is so easy to turn
insiders into
outsiders is to maintain very strict control over the community by its
leaders. The idea is that everyone still on the inside will fear being
made a non-person or being ostracized or being shunned, and so will
keep
quiet and let the leadership do as it pleases with them. Silent
suffering
of tyranny and injustice from one's leaders is the actual definition
of a
Baha'i in good standing. Of course, this requirement is cult-like...."
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Cole80.htm

Frederick Glaysher, May 12, 1992:
"The Baha'i Faith has become very oppressive and manipulative of the
individual. That to me is merely a statement of fact, as I have
experienced
it, for nearly sixteen years now [since 1976]. The usual stratagem in
dealing with anyone who would express his conscience in good faith is
to
pretend the Cause is above any kind of criticism whatsoever while
intimating
that anyone who would speak honestly must have something wrong with
him,
i.e., his spiritual life isn't what it should be, he doesn't
understand the
nature of unity, or he's accused of trying to obtain power for
himself,
which at times seems merely a calculated way of discrediting the
person, and
so on. Another common strategy used to acquire control over the
individual
is to humor the person by letting him pour himself out, etc., and then
self-righteously giving him the Truth."
http://www.fglaysher.com/LettersAmD1989-1994.htm

Frederick Glaysher, June 1998:
"Some of the most striking methods demonstrated repeatedly by many
Bahais
during the last year and a half of discussion about an unmoderated
newsgroup
is their refusal to listen and respond to the criticisms of those who
are in
favor of talk.religion.bahai, ignoring their concerns, never
responding
analytically to their messages and reasoning and logic and evidence,
attacking them through character assassination and ad hominem, ganging
up on individuals, and "circling the wagons" around every action of
the
soc.religion.bahai moderators or others who are opposed to
talk.religion.bahai."

Ron House, November 14, 1997:
"I know what you mean. I've found over the years that there is a
technique
used by traditional Baha'is and others to squash dissension: harry the
dissenter so much he says something intemperate, then point out how
'loving'
and 'compassionate' they are and how nasty the dissenter is. The
trouble
isthat this technique works, so I've been making a conscious effort
not to
fall for it. Also, when they get the dissenter discouraged and
miserable
enough, he invariably makes a slip-up sooner or later that they can
REALLY
let loose the venom over. IMHO, they did this to you when you misread
Sharon's intentions. At any other time, they would overlook faults, as
Baha'u'llah says, but when they're in this mode they go for the
jugular.Very
sad."
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/House2.htm

Ron House <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] October 2002,
WROTE REGARDING SUSAN MANECK's Technique:
If this were the the first, or a rare, occasion on which this specimen
had got up to this shenanigan, we might let it pass. But it is, in my
experience, her typical pattern of "debate": take something from
another
poster, think out some uncharitable 'consequence' that she thinks
follows from it, and then assert as factual that the original posters
were in favour of her uncharitable interpretation. It is, imho, a
fundamentally malicious and dishonest way to conduct debate.

Fran Baker, May 1998:
"Just have to say that in my experience this is a common technique of
manipulative people in general; it is especially effective with
thoughtful
people who are willing to see both sides of things, i.e., their own
fault. I
consider this brow-beating technique to be a form of abuse. The only
way to
deal with it is to call them on it every time and to refuse to let
yourself
be beat up, i.e., not to do your part of the "tango." This can be very
hard
to do, but it works.You can break this pattern in a personal
relationship. I
don't know whether it's possible when a groupacts this way. Very
scary."

Dermod Ryder, September 19, 2001:
"And then Eureka! I realised why Fred gets the treatment he does . . .
for Fred has painstakingly not only assembled the evidence of the
canker
within but he constantly publicises it to the extent that he really
gets up
noses and AO noses at that! . . . I basically agree with him that the
AO
terrorises people - terror is more than bombs or kamikaze aircraft. A
whispered aside in the right circumstances can instil terror (like a
threat
to be made a CB) - most ethnic cleansing is carried out by a piece of
"good" advice to the effect that one would be better off NOT living in
this
neighbourhood, from a gentleman who is known or assumed to have the
"right connections" to ensure the advice is heeded. Twenty years ago
the
AO tried that particular threatening tactic on with me and were told
where
they could stick it! Others can also testify to that including Dennis
Rogers
whose experiences were posted on TRB recently. And you guys hate
Fred for this, for his continued exposing of the sewer that the AO has
become. Of course you all hate Juan, Alison, Michael, Nima etc as well
and for the same reason and give them the same treatment but somewhat
reduced for they don't post as much as Fred who is just a real pain in
the
butt for doing what he does so well! Fred is an avid counter terrorist
and
he's good at it as the whimpering from the BIGS proves!"
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Ryder2001.htm

Dermod Ryder, February 28, 2002:
"This is what is known as the "love bomb" technique. Disregard and
entirely
ignore the substance of any complaint or criticism and throw out this
carpet
of "bahai love" which will overwhelm the reason and appeal to the
emotion.
I've been vaccinated! What I also glean from recourse to this
technique
isthat there is no answer to the points I raised. In effect you guys
who
support the AO do so through thick and thin to the point where you
cannot
and will not admit that it has any faults of any substantive value.
Because
guys like me cannot agree with you - the fault is obviously ours."

K. Paul Johnson, September 15, 1998:
"If that principle [people are innocent until proven guilty] were
followed
by Baha'i administration and individuals in their condemnations of
their
fellow believers, I would have very little to complain about regarding
Baha'i affairs. But character assassination by innuendo is the
preferred way
of dealing with anything remotely resembling dissidence. Seems like
that's
exactly what you're doing to Juan Cole in your message. Saying I don't
want
to know what you've "got" on him, thus attacking me but insinuating
you have
some awful proof of unspecified guilt on his part. If that's not
character
assassination by innuendo, what is?"
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Johnson18.htm

Steven Scholl, March 12, 2002:
"The problem in her [Susan Maneck] cult view of the world is the
"dissident act" of shining a light on internal Baha'i affairs so that
outsiders (and insiders) can learn about what really takes place in
the Baha'i world. The great sin is ignoring the Baha'i taboo against
speaking out against internalinjustices because to do so is to tarnish
the reputation of the Baha'i institutions. Good Baha'is are expected
to take their abuse in silence. If they speak out against abuse,
they are regarded as internal opposition and come under investigation
from the Baha'i Inquisition. They are villified and threatened, even
told that their status in the afterlife is threatened if they don't
change their ways. And, yes, this was a key element [in] the little
drama that played out between the Baha'i leadership and myself."
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Scholl4.htm

David Langness, 31 Mar 1997:
"I would advise you to be careful about any meetings, calls or
correspondence with Hoda Mahmoudi, who used to be an ABM
here in Southern California. She is quite conservative, and sees
herself -- as do many of the appointed branch, sadly -- as a staunch
defender of the Faith and the faithful, able and more than willing to
marginalize people like you and I to discredit our ideas. This
cultlike
practice of shunning and casting out any dissidents has unfortunately
become the chief tactic of those fundamentalist Baha'is bent on
maintaining the current leadership. My worry is that the more
progressive Baha'is like Juan Cole and Steve Scholl and yourself
will all leave the Faith and thereby increase the power of the
conservatives."
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Langness.htm
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The Bahai Technique is available on the web at
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/technique.htm
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For two excellent introductions to the Bahai Wars:

Professor Juan R. I. Cole, University of Michigan,
"Fundamentalism in the Contemporary U.S. Baha'i Community,"
Religious Studies Review, Vol. 43, no. 3 (March, 2002):195-217:
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/2002/fundbhfn.htm

Karen Bacquet, "Enemies Within: Conflict and Control in the
Baha'i Community." Published in American Family Foundation's
Cultic Studies Journal, Volume 18, pp.109-140:
http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/bigquestions/enemies.html

--
Frederick Glaysher
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/

COMPARE
Geoffrey Chaucer, AD 1340-1400.
Prologue to the Pardoner's Tale:

For in truth, many a sermon
Comes often out of evil intention;
Some for the pleasing and flattery of people,
To have advancement by hypocrisy,
And some for worldly fame, and some for hate.
For, when I dare not oppose a man otherwise,
Then I sting him with my sharp tongue
In preaching, so that he cannot escape
Being falsely slandered, if he
Has wronged my brothers or myself.
For, although I do not tell his exact name,
Men can readily guess whom I mean
By hints and by other devices.
Thus I pay back people who do us bad turns;
Thus I spit out my venom under color
Of holiness, while seeming holy and sincere....

(Translator, Vincent F. Hopper. 1948)



For an individual's use of The Bahai Technique, see Susan Maneck -
DRIVING
people out of the Bahai Faith
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Maneck9.htm

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>From another perspective, Karen Bacquet's Net Games: Fallacies,
Gambits, and
Maneuvers in Baha'i Cyberspace
http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/bigquestions/Netgames.html