Re: From Shia & sufi theology. RE What does "al Hamdulillah." mean

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> in article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Pat Kohli at
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 22/11/03 5:28 pm:
>
> > Baha'u'llah asked us to recite "Allahu Abha" 95 times each day, in a
> > certain  way; what is done beyond that would be completely up to the
> > discretion of the  friend. However, that any Baha'i, Christian, or Hindu is
> > free to recite  "Alhamdulillah, Allahu  Akbar, Subhan-Allah" 33 times
> > each day, in no way  shows that the  Baha'is borrowed this practice from
> >  Sufi or Shia theology.
>
> You are talking utter twaddle Pat,  Babism and Bahaism came straight
> out of Shia Sufism. Both the Bab & Bahaullah were Sufi Shia Persian
> Muslims. All their Poems, prayers, tablets, writings and chants were
> copied, or plagairised straight out off Sufi or Shia theology.
> Inclosed are examples to prove this..........................Errol
>
> Througout their ministries, Baha'u'llah, AB and also SE wrote a great
> number of personal confessional prayers (Monajat), a genre canonized
> by the eleventh century *SUFI* prose writer `Abdollah Ansari.
>
> The earliest text in Baha'u'llah's corpus seems to be a 19-line
> Persian poem in the *SUFI* tradition entitled *Rashh-e `amA*
>
> Baha'u'llah incorporates Babi theology and a measured *SUFI*
> vocabulary
>
> http://bahai-library.org/conferences/scripture.lit.html
>
> Themes of Early Tablets. These works reflected the *SUFI* style until
> 1863.
>
> He was in contact with the *SUFI'S* near the town of Sulaymaniyyih
>
> Qasidiy-i-Varqaiyyih; Ode of the Dove
>
> This poem was revealed in Arabic between 1854 and 1856 in
> Sulaymaniyyih, in response to the *SUFI'S * request
>
> Seven Valleys  This work, revealed in Baghdad for a *SUFI* judge
>
> Four Valleys  This work, was also revealed in Baghdad in Persian for a
> *Sufi*  http://bahai-library.org/visuals/timeline.themes.html

This says _nothing_ to your allegation that  "Allahu Abha" 95 times each day is
based on Sufis and/or Shiahs reciting "Alhamdulillah, Allahu  Akbar,
Subhan-Allah" 33 times each day as it appears some Sunnis do.  Are you conceding
that point?

BTW, there should be no dispute that Baha'u'llah frequently addressed a Sufi
audience, or a Shiah audience, or a Babi audience.  For that matter, blessed
Jesus Christ frequently addressed a Jewish audience, and that fact in no way
proves that he did not found Christianity, a religion distinctly different from
the Judaism of Mary and Joseph.

Best wishes!
- Pat