Re: For feminists - The bottom line about rape

On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:26:46 +1100, "Darkfalz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>> She hadn't been through puberty yet. The evidence for rape is
>> overwhelming. There was no reason to tell me anything, given that nobody
>> knew about it until she told, therefore there was nothing for her to
>> explain. You have no idea what is 'true'.
>
>Then it wasn't rape, it was CSA. You should have said that.

It was CSA and it was also rape, based on one of the several things
that were done to her.

>CSA is much worse than rape, and people who commit CSA are a million times
>worse than rapists.
>
>I am sorry.

Thankyou. So am I. We've been picking up the pieces ever since.

>> These are risky, I agree. They don't deserve punishment by rape, though.
>>   And most people have done at least one of them at some point.
>
>A smart woman with some sense avoids doing those things and hence, doesn't
>get raped.

One might say the same thing about a man who gets drunk and has sex
and finds himself accused of rape following consensual sex. Both the
FRA in such a scenario (any scenario, actually, based on my definition
of FRA) and the woman who is truly raped while drunk might be said to
have exercised poor judgement according to your standards. However,
both are victims of a serious crime, nonetheless. Are you saying
nobody should ever get drunk, then?

>It doesn't matter if you get away with 99 times out of a 100, you don't want
>to get fucked that 100th time, do you?

Or falsely accused. Either way, being drunk in public certainly can
cause problems. If you don't ever drink, I'll accept that your view is
sincere, but if you've ever been drunk, it's hard to avoid seeing
hypocrisy here.

>> Again, I invite you to prove it. I don't believe you are right, but I'll
>> look at evidence.
>
>Um, you think when women report rape, they are honest about their stupid
>behaviour? So you really expect there to be compiled statistics on stupid
>things women did leading to their being raped?

I think that when people report crimes, they often are embarassed
about some of the events leading up to them. I think that if it goes
to court, most people are probably honest. Some are likely not. 

This would go for both sexes and with regard to all crimes, in
circumstances where they feel embarassed about something they did that
could be perceived as having 'contributed' to the crime.

Anyway, if you can't prove it, and it's just opinion, that's fine.
Just say so.

Cele

>Just use your head.