Re: For feminists - The bottom line about rape

Darkfalz wrote:

> "Cele" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:05:02 +1100, "Darkfalz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
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> > > > We're talking about rape. If what you're saying is that rape survivors
> > > > ought to take 'personal responsibility' for 'errors of judgement' that
> > > > you feel have contributed to the commission of a crime against them,
> > > > then I presume that this goes also for victims of FRAs, who, according
> > > > to this standard, ought not to associate with the 'wrong kind of women'
> > > > and ought to be more careful and so on and so forth?
> > >
> > > Nobody is saying women need to take responsibility for actually being
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> raped,
>
> > > but certainly for putting herself in precarious situations where her
>
> chances
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> > > of being raped massively increase (which is when MOST genuine rapes
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> happen).
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> > I vehemently question the statement that this constitutes 'most' or
> > '99.9%' of actual rapes. My experience suggests otherwise. Can you
> > back up this claim?
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>
> Er, like the fact that the "stranger jumping out of the bushes" scenario
> only accounts for about 5% of rapes?

You don't know that. Even if you should provide some cite or other, 
which I certainly invite you to do, no research is going to have taken 
into account people who are afraid to tell, such as my daughter was for 
the first year post-rape. That kind of rape is the *least* likely to be 
reported, IMO, because the fear factor is cataclysmic. My daughter was 
told that if she told he would find her and kill her. I believe that the 
only reason she ultimately *did* tell is because she was raped 2000 
miles from where she lived, and therefore eventually felt far enough 
away and traumatised enough to talk. I haven't the slightest doubt that 
other girls do not tell. One young woman did disclose to my daughter, 
because she knew my daughter would be supportive as a result of her own 
experience. To this day, that girl has told nobody else, including her 
own parents. She is falling apart and in desperate shape, but she has 
not told. I only know because my daugher talked to me about it.

So, yeah, this is all anecdotal. But again, my direct personal 
experience leads me to question your assertions, and you've provided no 
evidence at all to convince me.

Cele