Re: Frequent false reports: where's the evidence? (was: Re: Rape Education Story #60

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kate Orman) wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kate Orman) wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> > Daran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
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> > > Another blunder/fib/distortion (delete as applicable) is that you are
> > > framing the discussion as though all these figures are estimates of the
> > > number of false accusations.  
> > 
> > Reports.
> > 
> > > This is completely incorrect.  These numbers
> > > are all ostensible *lower limits* to the number of false accusations.
> > > And the firmer the criteria become for so classifying a report, the
> > > more likely it is, that it is an *underestimate* of the real false 
> > > reporting rate.
> > 
> > While I take your point, that doesn't make evidence of lots of false 
> > reports magically appear.
> 
> And here's another problem, pointed out in the paper cited below. What 
> happens when a woman reports, encounters poor treatment and skepticism 
> from police (good heavens, some states used to *polygraph* rape 
> victims!!!), realises she cannot face going through the whole legal 
> process - and so recants?

What happens when you can spin gold from straw?

> She's counted as a false allegator, 

Hey Kate, you should make your lies more subtle. No state nor county
nor the feds count false rape accusations. She is still counted as a
rape victim even if she falsely reports being raped. The "unfounded"
category is still counted. She is still counted as a rape victim even
when the state trys her for perjury and wins. Nothing reduces the number
of reported rapes. 

> another  "lying bitch", even though she is a genuine rape victim. 

You are full of shit Kate. Your preposterous story belongs in a fiction
group. And it's clear that you'd never believe a recantation. Well
neither do most women, they are not worth much to the men accused. There
are men imprisoned desipite the woman's recantation before the trial.
Avedon seems to find this desirable, I guess you do as well.

> Unless those 
> counting false reports take this issue into consideration, their 
> figures may *overestimate* the incidence of lies.

No one counts false reports Kate, can't you make your lies more realistic?
How about the oft told lie that women who report being raped have their
name plastered all over the papers? It's still told on a regular basis.
Why don't the truth serve your purposes Kate? What do you have against it?
Oh yes, it does not paint men the demons you suppose them.

> Rozee, Patricia D. and Mary P. Koss. Rape: A Century of Resistance. 
> Psychology of Women Quarterly 25, 2001, pp 295-311.

So Koss is as ignorant as you are. No big shock here. No doubt she's
every bit as honest as you are as well. No feminist has ever corrected
even the most blatant falsehood in my experience. You just know that men
are evil and that no woman would lie about being raped.

So Kate, did you get raped at the University of Maryland? Seems that
every man there is a potential rapist. Must have been tough for you.
How did you ever get to class?

Rich

> Yours,
> - Kate Orman