Re: Bad idea: Punishing false accusers

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott Gilbert) wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> Ann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> > On 26 Nov 2003 19:18:19 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (RCB) wrote:
> > 
> > >"Darkfalz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> > >> "Waldo Weaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > >> > This has cropped up in a few places, but I'm going to start a new
> > >> > thread. Personally, I think false accusation is a disgusting crime,
> > >> > and the women who do it are common criminals, but I don't think
> > >> > stiffening the punishment for  false accusation is the answer. Here's
> > >> > why. Suppose we make false accusation a serious felony, with a jail
> > >> > term of, say, 8 to 15 years. I take it this will have  two effects:
> > >> >  1) Few women will recant, so more innocent men will go  through
> > >> > trials,  and go to and stay in prison.
> > >> >  2) The proven rate of false accusations will drop like a rock because
> > >> > no one will recant, and the police still won't bother to prosecute it
> > >> > because: a) the police are women, or b) the police are men who feel
> > >> > sorry for the poor woman.


I disagree.  Very few women recant NOW. Men are released from prison after
DNA testing proves that they were not the rapist but many of the women
that they were supposed to have raped still insist they picked out the
right man.  If they recant they still should be charged with a crime.
I think if they knew they would get serious jail time for making FRA it
would stop a lot of them.
> > >> >
> > >> >  So the net result would be more innocent suffering men, and a bunch
> > >> > of feminists delighted because false accusation rates are low. Sort of
> > >> > a worst case outcome.
> > >> 
> > >> A superb post. It seems there is really nothing that can be done about them.
> > >> The worst thing, of course, is that an accuser is, by the public at least,
> > >> automatically considers to be telling the truth and the accused is
> > >> automatically presumed guilty, even with the overwhelming number of false
> > >> accusations. So with it being so easy to accuse, the MASSIVE damage it does
> > >> to the man, and the lack of a suitable penalty (heck, the accused man has
> > >> his name splashed across the news but the accuser is kept private, even when
> > >> she is busted) it's little wonder it has gotten out of control.
> > >
> > >thats why it scares me that jaynes idea is so widely accepted on this
> > >board alone. The value of mens innocence is so unimportant that the
> > >best temporary idea is to be more lenient to false accusing women.
> > >
> > >Just to give a clear example of societies disregard for mens humanity,
> > >when there was a poll done asking if people cared about men being
> > >raped in prison. About 50% of people said men deserve to be raped in
> > >prison as more punishment for their crimes.
> > >
> > >Now you have to think about that long and hard for it to really sink
> > >it. Almost fifty percent of the entire 270 million people of this
> > >country think its ok to rape a human being, so long as its a man. Do
> > >you think those people would say its ok if they asked if women should
> > >be raped in prison? that question would not even be allowed to be
> > >asked, it would be a crime to answer it. Think about how profound that
> > >truth is.
> > >
> > >Its no wonder that society really cares so little for innocent men
> > >being raped of their lives by the courts. The bottom line is that if
> > >you are a man in this country, your life is just a hair more important
> > >than your neighbors dog.
> > >
> > >The harlot of babylon sits atop her mountain of riches and laughs at
> > >the plight of men. The devil has never been so successful than in
> > >todays world.
> > 
> > I think you are reaching a bit to draw the conclusions you have from
> > the survey.  People said that they didn't care about men in prison.
> > Now as appalling and sad as that is, you can't draw the conclusion
> > that nobody cares about men outside prison.  You would need to ask
> > more questions to deduce that.
> > 
> > Ann
> 
> The only question you would have to ask is do you think it is suitable
> punishment for female prisoners to be raped for their crimes.  If the
> answer to the question about male prison rape is different from the
> answer to the question about female prison rape, then it seems to me
> that it is fair to conclude that the people so answering could not
> even be said to consider men human, much less deserving of equal
> protection.


100% correct.