Re: Castration.

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>> > >> >> >> >> >> What do you think about castration for sex offenses?
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>> > >> >> >> >> > Do you mean chemical or physical?
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>> > >> >> >> >> What do you think of either?
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>> > >> >> >> >> Neil
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>> > >> >> >> > I would think pyhsical would be worse than chemical. If
>> > >> >> >> > it was physical, that in effect would take away some of
>> > >> >> >> > your masculinity, wouldn't it? Chemical would mean you'd
>> > >> >> >> > still have your penis...just not a lot of blood going up
>> > >> >> >> > there...I think.
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> Hmmm.
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>> > >> >> >> Still, you almost got there - physical castration is
>> > >> >> >> effectively irreversible, whereas chemical castration
>> > >> >> >> shouldn't be.
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> But saying that one is "worse" doesn't really tell me what
>> > >> >> >> you think - should sex offenders get the 'worst', or do
>> > >> >> >> you think they lose a right to their masculinity?
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>> > >> >> >> Neil
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>> > >> >> > No state or country should have the power to REMOVE a
>> > >> >> > bodily organ of a human
>> > >> >> > being period.... physical castration is cruel and unusual
>> > >> >> > punishment.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> ok.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Should the state have the power to enforce the chemical
>> > >> >> alternative?
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>> > >> > It's my understanding that chemical castration just reduces
>> > >> > sex drive, and is not always effective anyway.
>> > >> > But in answer to your question...no...I don't think the state
>> > >> > should have the power. You punish the person for the rape by
>> > >> > putting them in jail. After they have served
>> > >> > their time...they SHOULD be free. And anyway, the penis is
>> > >> > just ONE instrument of rape. You can rape someone with a
>> > >> > screwdriver, banana, your tongue, list goes on. Chemical
>> > >> > castration would not stop those ways.
>> > >>
>> > >> Are you sure about that?
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>> > > If a woman had her vagina penetrated by let's say a dildo, by a
>> > > man she didn't know, didn't like...
>> > > for an hour or so, I don't think she'd call 911 and say it was a
>> > > dildo. I think she'd say she had just been raped.
>> > > And if a man ate the woman out forcibly, what would YOU call it.
>> > > See me...I'd call it rape.
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> Remember this? It's up above here. You never answered. Why didn't you?
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>> > >>
>> > >> Do you think, for example, that the reduction in testosterone
>> > >> levels might result in a reduction in aggression, which might in
>> > >> turn make the person in question less likely to offend?
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>> > > I don't know
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>> > i know.
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>> > > ...why does a rapist rape? Is it control? Is it sex? And
>> > > if it is control, would lowering testosterone levels stop it?
>> > > Do you need testosterone to control?
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>> > Do you have even the tiniest shred of evidence that control is a
>> > motive? 
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>> I do. Where have YOU been? http://www.pcar.org/about_sa/index.html
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>> > There is a correlation between reducing the testosterone levels of
>> > violent male offenders (not only rapists), and their rate of
> reoffending.
>> > Some of these offenders have claimed that while the urge to offend
>> > is still with them, the desire to act on it is greatly reduced.
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>> > In answer to your question, a rapist's motives are peculiar to that
>> > rapist.
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>> How would you know? Do YOU evidence to support your claim? If so,
>> provide 
> a
>> link.
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>>  In some cases controlling testosterone levels would be
>> > effective;  in some cases it wouldn't.  You never got back to me
>> > with an opinion on voluntary castration.
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>> YES I did... see my answer dated 11/30/2003 3:56pm
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> And since we're on the subject of avoiding answers....

i considered your questions to be entirely missing the point, because 
they were.

> I asked you if
> cunniligus forcibly was rape? You never ansered. What about a dildo,
> again forced?
> Is that rape? What do YOU think?

i think yes.  So what?

-- 
Neil