Re: Castration.

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> > >> >> >> >> >> What do you think about castration for sex offenses?
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> > Do you mean chemical or physical?
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> What do you think of either?
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> > >> >> >> >> -- 
> > >> >> >> >> Neil
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > I would think pyhsical would be worse than chemical. If it
> > >> >> >> > was physical, that in effect would take away some of your
> > >> >> >> > masculinity, wouldn't it? Chemical would mean you'd still
> > >> >> >> > have your penis...just not a lot of blood going up there...I
> > >> >> >> > think.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Hmmm.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Still, you almost got there - physical castration is
> > >> >> >> effectively irreversible, whereas chemical castration shouldn't
> > >> >> >> be.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> But saying that one is "worse" doesn't really tell me what you
> > >> >> >> think - should sex offenders get the 'worst', or do you think
> > >> >> >> they lose a right to their masculinity?
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> > >> >> >> -- 
> > >> >> >> Neil
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > No state or country should have the power to REMOVE a bodily
> > >> >> > organ of a human
> > >> >> > being period.... physical castration is cruel and unusual
> > >> >> > punishment.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> ok.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Should the state have the power to enforce the chemical
> > >> >> alternative?
> > >> >
> > >> > It's my understanding that chemical castration just reduces sex
> > >> > drive, and is not always effective anyway.
> > >> > But in answer to your question...no...I don't think the state
> > >> > should have the power. You punish the person for the rape by
> > >> > putting them in jail. After they have served
> > >> > their time...they SHOULD be free. And anyway, the penis is just ONE
> > >> > instrument of rape. You can rape someone with a screwdriver,
> > >> > banana, your tongue, list goes on. Chemical castration would not
> > >> > stop those ways.
> > >>
> > >> Are you sure about that?
> > >
> > > If a woman had her vagina penetrated by let's say a dildo, by a man
> > > she didn't know, didn't like...
> > > for an hour or so, I don't think she'd call 911 and say it was a
> > > dildo. I think she'd say she had just been raped.
> > > And if a man ate the woman out forcibly, what would YOU call it. See
> > > me...I'd call it rape.

Remember this? It's up above here. You never answered. Why didn't you?

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> > >>
> > >> Do you think, for example, that the reduction in testosterone levels
> > >> might result in a reduction in aggression, which might in turn make
> > >> the person in question less likely to offend?
> > >
> > > I don't know
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> > i know.
> >
> > > ...why does a rapist rape? Is it control? Is it sex? And
> > > if it is control, would lowering testosterone levels stop it?
> > > Do you need testosterone to control?
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> > Do you have even the tiniest shred of evidence that control is a motive?
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> I do. Where have YOU been? http://www.pcar.org/about_sa/index.html
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> > There is a correlation between reducing the testosterone levels of
> > violent male offenders (not only rapists), and their rate of
reoffending.
> > Some of these offenders have claimed that while the urge to offend is
> > still with them, the desire to act on it is greatly reduced.
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> > In answer to your question, a rapist's motives are peculiar to that
> > rapist.
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> How would you know? Do YOU evidence to support your claim? If so, provide
a
> link.
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>  In some cases controlling testosterone levels would be
> > effective;  in some cases it wouldn't.  You never got back to me with an
> > opinion on voluntary castration.
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> YES I did... see my answer dated 11/30/2003 3:56pm

And since we're on the subject of avoiding answers.... I asked you if
cunniligus forcibly was rape? You never ansered. What about a dildo, again
forced?
Is that rape? What do YOU think?

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