Re: Rape Education Story #60

"Ellen Mercer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > Ann wrote:
> > > On 29 Nov 2003 15:03:22 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Magic Nose
> > > Goblin) wrote:
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> > >>Ann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > >>>On 28 Nov 2003 21:44:06 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Magic Nose
> > >>>Goblin) wrote:
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> > >>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kate Orman) wrote in message
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> > >>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sky King) wrote in message
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> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>"All men are rapists and that's all they are" -- Marilyn French,
> > >>>>>>Author, "The Women's Room"
> > >>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>"My feelings about men are the result of my experience. I have
little
> > >>>>>>sympathy for them. Like a Jew just released from Dachau, I watch
the
> > >>>>>>handsome young Nazi soldier fall writhing to the ground with a
bullet
> > >>>>>>in his stomach and I look briefly and walk on. I don't even need
to
> > >>>>>>shrug. I simply don't care. What he was, as a person, I mean, what
his
> > >>>>>>shames and yearnings were, simply don't matter." -- Marilyn
French, in
> > >>>>>>"The Women's Room"
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>"The Women's Room" is a fictional novel. These comments are made by
> > >>>>>fictional characters
> > >>>>
> > >>>>i.e. they are an expression of MARILYN FRENCH's thoughts.
> > >>>
> > >>>It's a scary thought that you believe that an author can only give
the
> > >>>characters in the novel her own thoughts and views.
> > >>
> > >>So you're saying that those thoughts are NOT Marilyns, but, in fact,
> > >>those of SOMEONE ELSE???
> > >
> > >
> > > You don't understand what fiction is then?  If someone writes a story
> > > about killing the pope does it mean that they have a desire to do so?
> > > If the character in the book says, "I really hate that man because
> > > he's a devout catholic", do we have to assume that the writer hates
> > > catholics?  Maybe it's true and a case could be put for it using other
> > > evidence but to quote the writer as having said "I hate the pope" is
> > > daft.
> >
> >
> > You don't understand what literature is then?  Authors write stories to
> > tell their philosophical beliefs and use characters to express their
> > opinions.  You ought to hear feminist literary theorists go after D. H.
> > Lawrence some time.
>
> When Stephen King writes about a car that has its own personality and
> likes to run over people she doesn't like, can we assume that King's
> philosophy is that cars should come to life and run over people who
> mistreat them?

Sometimes though books are like songs. Remember Prince and his "Little Red
Corvette"?
If you are familiar with the song, did you think he was really talking about
a car?

>
> > Fiction is sometimes "just a story" but most of the time it's the
> > authors view of the word being expressed by drama.
> >
> No question that Marilyn French inserts her own brand of radfem hatred
> into her fiction- after all, she's left a long trail of "nonfiction"
> books expressing the most primitive and vile sorts of antimale hatred.
> But those characters could have been used by any author- Michael
> Chrichton, Stephen King, Robin Cook et al, if for no other reason than
> to have Christine or Cujo bump them off. Why not just use real-world
> quotes from French's nonfiction (Beyond Power, War Against Women) so
> that no one need wonder about whether those quotes represent her
> actual POV?
>
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