Re: Frequent false reports: where's the evidence? (was: Re: Rape Education Story #60

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kate Orman) wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kate Orman) wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> > Daran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
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> > > Another blunder/fib/distortion (delete as applicable) is that you are
> > > framing the discussion as though all these figures are estimates of the
> > > number of false accusations.  
> > 
> > Reports.
> > 
> > > This is completely incorrect.  These numbers
> > > are all ostensible *lower limits* to the number of false accusations.  And
> > > the firmer the criteria become for so classifying a report, the more likely
> > > it is, that it is an *underestimate* of the real false reporting rate.
> > 
> > While I take your point, that doesn't make evidence of lots of false 
> > reports magically appear.
> 
> And here's another problem, pointed out in the paper cited below. What 
> happens when a woman reports, encounters poor treatment and skepticism 
> from police (good heavens, some states used to *polygraph* rape 
> victims!!!), realises she cannot face going through the whole legal 
> process - and so recants? She's counted as a false allegator, another 
> "lying bitch", even though she is a genuine rape victim. Unless those 
> counting false reports take this issue into consideration, their 
> figures may *overestimate* the incidence of lies.

You've pinned down nicely why I love DNA. The info cited by Greer-
that FBI detected a 25% DNA mismatch between true perp and convincted
shmuck, even after weeding out the weakest cases, completely bypasses
the issue of FRA confessions, FRA nonconfessions, etc. I don't often
believe what *people* say, but I do believe what DNA says.

That 25% is the closest we're going to get to the minimal level of
FRAs-- minimal, because finding a DNA match does not mean that a rape
occurred. A match could have been due to consensual sex, for example
or (probably very rarely) a frameup of some kind.

> Rozee, Patricia D. and Mary P. Koss. Rape: A Century of Resistance. 
> Psychology of Women Quarterly 25, 2001, pp 295-311.
> 
This cite doesn't show up on PubMed and thus is presumably not any
valid kind of scientific study that reports actual data. Perhaps we
can dig into data rather than opinion? Just a suggestion.