Re: Frequent false reports: where's the evidence? (was: Re: Rape Education Story #60

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kate Orman) wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rich) wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kate Orman) wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
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> > > Kanin, Eugene J. False Rape Allegations. Archives of Sexual Behavior 
> > > 23(1), 1994, pp 81-92.
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> > > He states: "our intent is not to suggest that the 41% incidence found 
> > > here be extrapolated to other populations".
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> > And what about Kanin's study do you suggest invalidates it's 
> > incidence of false reporting
> 
> Why don't you ask Kanin?

He's not posting here, you are.

If his data is good, and it would seem to be, then it says something.
Unless there is something unique about the location, it *can* be
extrapolated to other areas. Kanin's chose the location because it
was small enough for every charge to be investigated thoroughly,
and indeed they were. The fact that he was investigating motives
rater than incidence is relevant only in that these numbers are
a lower bound, he did not investigate rape charges that were not
recanted. But as a lower bound, his numbers are good. I note that
you don't find them especially worrisome. So what if the proven
incidence of FRAs is 41% in whatever location was surveyed, it's
not like you see a huge problem there.

In another post you claim that...

# To date I have seen no good evidence that fake reports (let alone 
# fake accusations, trials, or convictions) are an overwhelming problem 
# and that victims should therefore be treated with automatic suspicion. 

You say this even when discussing evidence that suggests exactly that.
And you've been doing so for a long long time.

All the evicence for the incidence of FRA's shows a very high incidence,
and yet you persist in basically claiming the 2% lie that is prevelant
in shelters. Why is this Kate?

And FYI, the police should *never*, and I mean unconditionally never
simply believe a women who makes a rape claim. I know that you object
to this, the notion of innocence till guilt is proven is as foreign
yo you as is the notion that the victims of FRAs are the men falsely
accused. Yes Kate, women who really were raped are not the victims of
FRAs,you don't understand it I know. The police should neither believe
nor disbelive any women who reports a rape, they should investigate
and act on the results of said invesitgation. And this hold true
regardless of the incidence of either rape or FRAs. 

Rich

> Yours,
> - Kate Orman