Re: Bad idea: Punishing false rape accusers

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> > > > > > > > If it's not against the law to make a false report to the
> > police, then
> > > > > > > > how are these charges being laid?
> > > >
> > > > > > > When such charges are laid, they are for crimes against the
> state
> > > > > > > (just ask Laurie). Specifically things like perjury, or in the
> > > > > > > UK either 'wasting police time' or 'perverting the course of
> > justice'.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The accused man is not in any way a part of the proceedings,
> much
> > > > > > > less as the victim of a crime, and the charges are for a
> > misdemeanor,
> > > > > > > not a felony.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I see what you (and Daran) are getting at - false *accusations*,
> in
> > > > > > which a specific person is maliciously identified as the
> > perpetrator,
> > > > > > as opposed to false *allegations*, in which a specific
perpetrator
> > may
> > > > > > or may not be identified (as in the cases posted). It's an
> extremely
> > > > > > important distinction, and I ought to have spotted it myself.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I suspect whether making a false report is a misdemeanour or a
> > felony
> > > > > > varies, perhaps from state to state; the liars in Kanin's study
> were
> > > > > > told they would be charged with a felony. It'd be interesting to
> > learn
> > > > > > whether maliciously accusing someone of (for example) theft
> attracts
> > > > > > criminal charges.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > While I'm far from an expert on law, I'd have little objection
to
> a
> > > > > > specific crime of false accusation, as long as rape was not the
> only
> > > > > > crime it applied to. Not only is a false accusation a vicious
> > > > > > injustice, but it hands woman-haters and rapists more ammunition
> > > > > > for their quest to smear all rape victims as "lying bitches".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > However, I've seen no good evidence that false reports are a
large
> > > > > > proportion of reports, and false accusations are only a
proportion
> > > > > > of false reports. When women do lie, it's not usually out of
> malice:
> > > > >
> > > > > According to a FEMALE spokeswoman for the NYC DA's office,
> > > > > 40% of their rape accusations are subsequently recanted.
> > > > > and
> > > > > 40% of their rape accusations are DISPROVEN upon investigation.
> > > > >
> > > > > No mention was made of how many recantings take place after
> > > > > the police disprove the accusation.
> > > > >
> > > > > And of course, there will always be the false accusation which
> > > > > is neither recanted, nor disproven...which means there are EVEN
> > > > > MORE false accusations then what these figures show.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > So, at least in NYC, the DA's statistics show that AT LEAST
> > > > > 40% to 80% of all rape accusations are false False FALSE!
> > > >
>              97% of all rape accusations are false.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Not necessarily. Rape accusations may be recanted, but still arise
> > > > from a bona-fide rape.
> > >
> > >
> > > If the police have any evidence that the rape DID take place, then
> > > the DA's will prosecute despite her, and put her on the stand as a
> > > hostile witness.  Really?  haha and what if she refuses to answer any
> questions? Hold her in contempt? The trial would be over without the
> cooperation of the victim.
>
> Which just goes to show how perverted the US judicial business has become.
> In the past the only crime which could be prosecuted without the victim's
> cooperation was murder for obvious reasons.
> > >
> > >
> > > > The same as domestic violence accusations may
> > > > be recanted, but still arise from a real situation of abuse.
> > >
> > > Let's not forget that over 50% of domestic abuse is committed by
women.
> > >
> >
> > Do tell. And are the 50% of these "abuse victims" who happen to be male
> > hospitalized or embalmed in the same proportions as the 50% who happen
to
> be
> > women?
>
> 60% of lesbians are violent to each other and kill.

Really? All the time, or just on Tuesdays?

Asking for a source on this would be rude and counter to the spirit of
soc.men's traditon of clear discourse, wouldn't it?

LOL

DFooK
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