Re: Bad idea: Punishing false rape accusers

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> > > > > > > > > If it's not against the law to make a false report to the
> > > police,
> > > > then
> > > > > > > > > how are these charges being laid?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > When such charges are laid, they are for crimes against the
> > state
> > > > > > > > (just ask Laurie). Specifically things like perjury, or in
the
> > > > > > > > UK either 'wasting police time' or 'perverting the course of
> > > > justice'.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The accused man is not in any way a part of the proceedings,
> > much
> > > > > > > > less as the victim of a crime, and the charges are for a
> > > > misdemeanor,
> > > > > > > > not a felony.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I see what you (and Daran) are getting at - false
*accusations*,
> > in
> > > > > > > which a specific person is maliciously identified as the
> > > perpetrator,
> > > > > > > as opposed to false *allegations*, in which a specific
> perpetrator
> > > may
> > > > > > > or may not be identified (as in the cases posted). It's an
> > extremely
> > > > > > > important distinction, and I ought to have spotted it myself.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I suspect whether making a false report is a misdemeanour or a
> > > felony
> > > > > > > varies, perhaps from state to state; the liars in Kanin's
study
> > were
> > > > > > > told they would be charged with a felony. It'd be interesting
to
> > > learn
> > > > > > > whether maliciously accusing someone of (for example) theft
> > attracts
> > > > > > > criminal charges.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > While I'm far from an expert on law, I'd have little objection
> to
> > a
> > > > > > > specific crime of false accusation, as long as rape was not
the
> > only
> > > > > > > crime it applied to. Not only is a false accusation a vicious
> > > > > > > injustice, but it hands woman-haters and rapists more
ammunition
> > > > > > > for their quest to smear all rape victims as "lying bitches".
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > However, I've seen no good evidence that false reports are a
> large
> > > > > > > proportion of reports, and false accusations are only a
> proportion
> > > > > > > of false reports. When women do lie, it's not usually out of
> > malice:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > According to a FEMALE spokeswoman for the NYC DA's office,
> > > > > > 40% of their rape accusations are subsequently recanted.
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > 40% of their rape accusations are DISPROVEN upon investigation.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No mention was made of how many recantings take place after
> > > > > > the police disprove the accusation.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And of course, there will always be the false accusation which
> > > > > > is neither recanted, nor disproven...which means there are EVEN
> > > > > > MORE false accusations then what these figures show.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So, at least in NYC, the DA's statistics show that AT LEAST
> > > > > > 40% to 80% of all rape accusations are false False FALSE!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Not necessarily. Rape accusations may be recanted, but still arise
> > > > > from a bona-fide rape.
> > > >
> > > > But those that are BOGUS....not from a bona-fide rape...what then?
> > >
> > > Then let them fail to be shown as real beyond a reasonable doubt.in a
> > court
> > > of law.
> > >
> > >
> > > > You seem to be disputing the other poster, but I'd like to know what
> > you'd
> > > > do
> > > > about men who were innocent all the way around?
> > >
> > > Do you mean if I were God, or if I were the court?
> >
> > Both.
> >
>
> If I were God I'd let them into heaven. If they were innocent and accused
of
> rape out of malice I'd award damages in civil court.

Fair enough.

 > > The same as domestic violence accusations may
> > > > > be recanted, but still arise from a real situation of abuse.
> > > > >
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