Re: Bad idea: Punishing false rape accusers

"RCB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > > > > > If it's not against the law to make a false report to the
police, then
> > > > > > how are these charges being laid?
> >
> > > > > When such charges are laid, they are for crimes against the state
> > > > > (just ask Laurie). Specifically things like perjury, or in the
> > > > > UK either 'wasting police time' or 'perverting the course of
justice'.
> > > > >
> > > > > The accused man is not in any way a part of the proceedings, much
> > > > > less as the victim of a crime, and the charges are for a
misdemeanor,
> > > > > not a felony.
> > > >
> > > > I see what you (and Daran) are getting at - false *accusations*, in
> > > > which a specific person is maliciously identified as the
perpetrator,
> > > > as opposed to false *allegations*, in which a specific perpetrator
may
> > > > or may not be identified (as in the cases posted). It's an extremely
> > > > important distinction, and I ought to have spotted it myself.
> > > >
> > > > I suspect whether making a false report is a misdemeanour or a
felony
> > > > varies, perhaps from state to state; the liars in Kanin's study were
> > > > told they would be charged with a felony. It'd be interesting to
learn
> > > > whether maliciously accusing someone of (for example) theft attracts
> > > > criminal charges.
> > > >
> > > > While I'm far from an expert on law, I'd have little objection to a
> > > > specific crime of false accusation, as long as rape was not the only
> > > > crime it applied to. Not only is a false accusation a vicious
> > > > injustice, but it hands woman-haters and rapists more ammunition
> > > > for their quest to smear all rape victims as "lying bitches".
> > > >
> > > > However, I've seen no good evidence that false reports are a large
> > > > proportion of reports, and false accusations are only a proportion
> > > > of false reports. When women do lie, it's not usually out of malice:
> > >
> > > According to a FEMALE spokeswoman for the NYC DA's office,
> > > 40% of their rape accusations are subsequently recanted.
> > > and
> > > 40% of their rape accusations are DISPROVEN upon investigation.
> > >
> > > No mention was made of how many recantings take place after
> > > the police disprove the accusation.
> > >
> > > And of course, there will always be the false accusation which
> > > is neither recanted, nor disproven...which means there are EVEN
> > > MORE false accusations then what these figures show.
> > >
> > >
> > > So, at least in NYC, the DA's statistics show that AT LEAST
> > > 40% to 80% of all rape accusations are false False FALSE!
> >
> >
> >
> > Not necessarily. Rape accusations may be recanted, but still arise
> > from a bona-fide rape. The same as domestic violence accusations may
> > be recanted, but still arise from a real situation of abuse.
> >
> > DFooK
>
> You cannot prove this assumption.


Assumption of what? That it is reasonable that women, under direct or
indirect pressure, will falsely recant?


>there is no question, there is
> friction between a man and a woman that leads the woman to seek to
> destroy is life. However in todays society its easy for a woman to say
> "he raped me" though she knows full well she consented to sex with
> him.



Define "easy"

Does it include having her sexual and personal history dredged up? Having
invasive forensic examinations? Please do tell.

> These women live lies and the men just die in prison.

Name one.

> But why
> should women care? Its men who suffer most not the women generally.
> Since women have far less sympathy for men than men have for women,

Quantify your terms... or not. Your generalizations are amusing in a way.


> its no wonder in our feminized society men get treated so poorly so
> often.

LOL


DFooK