Re: Bad idea: Punishing false rape accusers

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> > > > > > If it's not against the law to make a false report to the
police,
> then
> > > > > > how are these charges being laid?
> > >
> > > > > When such charges are laid, they are for crimes against the state
> > > > > (just ask Laurie). Specifically things like perjury, or in the
> > > > > UK either 'wasting police time' or 'perverting the course of
> justice'.
> > > > >
> > > > > The accused man is not in any way a part of the proceedings, much
> > > > > less as the victim of a crime, and the charges are for a
> misdemeanor,
> > > > > not a felony.
> > > >
> > > > I see what you (and Daran) are getting at - false *accusations*, in
> > > > which a specific person is maliciously identified as the
perpetrator,
> > > > as opposed to false *allegations*, in which a specific perpetrator
may
> > > > or may not be identified (as in the cases posted). It's an extremely
> > > > important distinction, and I ought to have spotted it myself.
> > > >
> > > > I suspect whether making a false report is a misdemeanour or a
felony
> > > > varies, perhaps from state to state; the liars in Kanin's study were
> > > > told they would be charged with a felony. It'd be interesting to
learn
> > > > whether maliciously accusing someone of (for example) theft attracts
> > > > criminal charges.
> > > >
> > > > While I'm far from an expert on law, I'd have little objection to a
> > > > specific crime of false accusation, as long as rape was not the only
> > > > crime it applied to. Not only is a false accusation a vicious
> > > > injustice, but it hands woman-haters and rapists more ammunition
> > > > for their quest to smear all rape victims as "lying bitches".
> > > >
> > > > However, I've seen no good evidence that false reports are a large
> > > > proportion of reports, and false accusations are only a proportion
> > > > of false reports. When women do lie, it's not usually out of malice:
> > >
> > > According to a FEMALE spokeswoman for the NYC DA's office,
> > > 40% of their rape accusations are subsequently recanted.
> > > and
> > > 40% of their rape accusations are DISPROVEN upon investigation.
> > >
> > > No mention was made of how many recantings take place after
> > > the police disprove the accusation.
> > >
> > > And of course, there will always be the false accusation which
> > > is neither recanted, nor disproven...which means there are EVEN
> > > MORE false accusations then what these figures show.
> > >
> > >
> > > So, at least in NYC, the DA's statistics show that AT LEAST
> > > 40% to 80% of all rape accusations are false False FALSE!
> >
> >
> >
> > Not necessarily. Rape accusations may be recanted, but still arise
> > from a bona-fide rape.
>
> But those that are BOGUS....not from a bona-fide rape...what then?

Then let them fail to be shown as real beyond a reasonable doubt.in a court
of law.


> You seem to be disputing the other poster, but I'd like to know what you'd
> do
> about men who were innocent all the way around?

Do you mean if I were God, or if I were the court?


>
> The same as domestic violence accusations may
> > be recanted, but still arise from a real situation of abuse.
> >
> > DFooK
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DFooK