Re: Bad idea: Punishing false rape accusers

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dee Fish out of Korea) wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
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> > > > > If it's not against the law to make a false report to the police, then 
> > > > > how are these charges being laid?
>  
> > > > When such charges are laid, they are for crimes against the state
> > > > (just ask Laurie). Specifically things like perjury, or in the
> > > > UK either 'wasting police time' or 'perverting the course of justice'.
> > > > 
> > > > The accused man is not in any way a part of the proceedings, much
> > > > less as the victim of a crime, and the charges are for a misdemeanor,
> > > > not a felony.
> > > 
> > > I see what you (and Daran) are getting at - false *accusations*, in 
> > > which a specific person is maliciously identified as the perpetrator, 
> > > as opposed to false *allegations*, in which a specific perpetrator may 
> > > or may not be identified (as in the cases posted). It's an extremely 
> > > important distinction, and I ought to have spotted it myself.
> > > 
> > > I suspect whether making a false report is a misdemeanour or a felony 
> > > varies, perhaps from state to state; the liars in Kanin's study were 
> > > told they would be charged with a felony. It'd be interesting to learn 
> > > whether maliciously accusing someone of (for example) theft attracts 
> > > criminal charges.
> > > 
> > > While I'm far from an expert on law, I'd have little objection to a 
> > > specific crime of false accusation, as long as rape was not the only 
> > > crime it applied to. Not only is a false accusation a vicious 
> > > injustice, but it hands woman-haters and rapists more ammunition 
> > > for their quest to smear all rape victims as "lying bitches".
> > > 
> > > However, I've seen no good evidence that false reports are a large 
> > > proportion of reports, and false accusations are only a proportion 
> > > of false reports. When women do lie, it's not usually out of malice:
> > 
> > According to a FEMALE spokeswoman for the NYC DA's office,
> > 40% of their rape accusations are subsequently recanted.
> > and
> > 40% of their rape accusations are DISPROVEN upon investigation.
> > 
> > No mention was made of how many recantings take place after
> > the police disprove the accusation.
> > 
> > And of course, there will always be the false accusation which
> > is neither recanted, nor disproven...which means there are EVEN
> > MORE false accusations then what these figures show.
> > 
> > 
> > So, at least in NYC, the DA's statistics show that AT LEAST
> > 40% to 80% of all rape accusations are false False FALSE!
> 
> 
> 
> Not necessarily. Rape accusations may be recanted, but still arise
> from a bona-fide rape. The same as domestic violence accusations may
> be recanted, but still arise from a real situation of abuse.
> 
> DFooK

You cannot prove this assumption. there is no question, there is
friction between a man and a woman that leads the woman to seek to
destroy is life. However in todays society its easy for a woman to say
"he raped me" though she knows full well she consented to sex with
him. These women live lies and the men just die in prison. But why
should women care? Its men who suffer most not the women generally.
Since women have far less sympathy for men than men have for women,
its no wonder in our feminized society men get treated so poorly so
often.