Re: Bad idea: Punishing false rape accusers

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In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Magic Nose Goblin) wrote:

>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kate Orman) wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rich) wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kate Orman) wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>>  
>> > > If it's not against the law to make a false report to the police, then 
>> > > how are these charges being laid?
>>  
>> > When such charges are laid, they are for crimes against the state
>> > (just ask Laurie). Specifically things like perjury, or in the
>> > UK either 'wasting police time' or 'perverting the course of justice'.
>> > 
>> > The accused man is not in any way a part of the proceedings, much
>> > less as the victim of a crime, and the charges are for a misdemeanor,
>> > not a felony.
>> 
>> I see what you (and Daran) are getting at - false *accusations*, in 
>> which a specific person is maliciously identified as the perpetrator, 
>> as opposed to false *allegations*, in which a specific perpetrator may 
>> or may not be identified (as in the cases posted). It's an extremely 
>> important distinction, and I ought to have spotted it myself.
>> 
>> I suspect whether making a false report is a misdemeanour or a felony 
>> varies, perhaps from state to state; the liars in Kanin's study were 
>> told they would be charged with a felony. It'd be interesting to learn 
>> whether maliciously accusing someone of (for example) theft attracts 
>> criminal charges.
>> 
>> While I'm far from an expert on law, I'd have little objection to a 
>> specific crime of false accusation, as long as rape was not the only 
>> crime it applied to. Not only is a false accusation a vicious 
>> injustice, but it hands woman-haters and rapists more ammunition 
>> for their quest to smear all rape victims as "lying bitches".
>> 
>> However, I've seen no good evidence that false reports are a large 
>> proportion of reports, and false accusations are only a proportion 
>> of false reports. When women do lie, it's not usually out of malice:
>
>According to a FEMALE spokeswoman for the NYC DA's office,
>40% of their rape accusations are subsequently recanted.
>and
>40% of their rape accusations are DISPROVEN upon investigation.
>
>No mention was made of how many recantings take place after
>the police disprove the accusation.
>
>And of course, there will always be the false accusation which
>is neither recanted, nor disproven...which means there are EVEN
>MORE false accusations then what these figures show.
>
>
>So, at least in NYC, the DA's statistics show that AT LEAST
>40% to 80% of all rape accusations are false False FALSE!

My neighbor's dog accused you of rape and it never recanted. So
whussup wit dat sniper boy?


NR

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