Re: CHALLENGE FOR T.R. REGULARS

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 12:53:12 +0100 David Lee Kollberg
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> "Ellen Mercer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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>> Alan Mackenzie<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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>> > David Lee Kollberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on Fri, 21
>> > Nov

> Okay, Ellen, you've made your point. I guess I was over the line when I
> said you weren't a real person. However, you could have pinched yourself
> somewhat earlier (and more frequent), so we could have gotten around this
> lengthy discussion about who or what you are. I think this long-lasting
> argument in fact has been a magnificent pleasure trip for you, no? You
> always seem to get what you want.

That's not true.

[...]

>> Don't worry, I've been told before that I'm a man, granted, 100% of the
>> time by people who haven't actually seen me. Seeing me tends to reduce
>> the doubts about my femininity, even if slightly. My problem is that I
>> don't have POVs that are sufficiently stereotypical female. Too much
>> thinking about stuff other than hairdos, I'm told.
> 
> And yet another slight aimed to *all* woman. How much longer will they
> allow you to go at it, I wonder.

No it isn't.  The remark is directed at those who would question her gender
based upon her lack of stereotypical female characteristics.  It hardly
seems to be a slight.

[...]

>> > A character played by an actor is manifestly distinct from the actor
>> > himself.  A person posting on Usenet can not be cleanly distinguished
>> > from the persona he affects.
>>
>> I would respect that character. He's got an ax, for chrissake!
> 
> So what's your point? That you *do* have an average IQ?

I read her remark as deadpan humour.  If I read that wrongly, then I don't
understand her point either.  The 'IQ' barb was not necessary.

[...]

>> I'm impressed that someone figured out that I regard myself as a
>> feminist. Few will accept it on the face of it, but I am convinced that
>> real feminism does not categorize women as victims but as the true equals
>> of men, equally capable AND equally culpable for their failings.
> 
> Are you scantily attempting to plagiarize my "I am a real feminist" post,
> here? Please take into consideration that I wasn't being serious at the
> time I wrote it.

I assume you meant 'parody' rather than 'plagiarise'.  You can not claim
ownership of a two word phrase.

Either way, I suspect not.  It seems unlikely that she has read that thread.

[...]

> You still seem to be a little shy to talk about your hairdo, though.

Here I read your remark as deadpan humour.  I wonder how she will react to
it.

[...]

>> Hey, being a tyranical dictator might not be half bad. Where do I apply?
> 
> Dictators don't apply; they dictate.

Good point.  Ellen appears to have fallen at the first hurdle.

> One day you could perhaps stop your lunatic raving for a while and attempt
> to have a serious debate (without transforming it in a hidden insult).
> I'll be here when that time comes, but I suppose it's wise not to hold my
> breath?

This paragraph is not devoid of hidden insults itself.  Those aside, the
'I'll be here when that time comes' does not sound very different from what
the rest of us are saying.

> DLK

-- 
Daran

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