Re: To each their own. was: Re: Perhaps Cele has a crush on Sky? was: Re: NEIL---SOC.MEN take

>Lots of dynamics while I've been away it seems - some of them very strange.

Hi JJ!  Missed you.  :)

>Rather than scrolling endlessly back to find the OP BTW, my belated best
>wishes to Ann on her good news. I hope that doesn't qualify me for TRIS
>sycophancy. Well actually... I don't *give* a fuck - sorry Ellen.
>
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>> > I'm not sure why the love for Sky King all of a sudden, but I think
>David
>> is
>> > angry because several of you have been trying to actually reason with
>the
>> > Ellen-troll.
>>
>> This is certainly an aspect.
>
>Oh dear, I do hope not. That would mean that you are feigning a mock concern
>for Terry's treatment on this ng as means of revenge for other members of
>the group not supporting your attempt to dismiss the Lady Ellen. By any
>standards that is rather a shallow and mean-minded tactic, David. I thought
>you better than that. I would point out that it is also rather implausible,
>given your past posting history with the 'counsellor' from New England.
>
>>
>> > David, I'm not talking about you, ok? I don't want to be guilty of doing
>> what
>> > I just yelled at Daran for.  lol   The rest of this is addressed to you.
>
>Well I am - I can 'do Daran' better than Daran if I want ;-). I'm just not
>as methodical about it as he is... Oh, and Daran and I have several times
>clashed on the issue of his piety - I doubt we need to do so again, but he
>knows my position on it, and I know his.
>
>> >
>> > I totally understand your frustration with that and I've shared some of
>it
>> > myself.
>>
>> Okay.
>
>I don't. The Lady Ellen is there for consideration - take her or leave her.
>I wouldn't presume to judge the reaction of others in that respect.

Right, to each their own.  I'm not judging them either because I get where
they're coming from.  Just wanted to explain my take on it to David because I
sort of guessed where *he* was coming from and I didn't want him to carry
around that misconception.  I've been where he was before.  I used to be
obnoxious about it too--making posts asking WHY are you people even talking to
(whoever) like it's a person??  lol

 I find
>it immature for David to post repeated contentless posts about her when she
>has demonstrated that she won't respond to them, but I would have refrained
>from commenting upon that if it were the only symptom of whatever ails him.

Yeah that's clearly post-humping.  :D

>He's straying dangerously close to obnoxious though with the recent attack
>on Cele. We may fall out over it if such behaviour continues. I give fair
>warning.

That's what pissed me off too.

>>
>> > But like Cele explained to me it's just the "head people" having their
>> > go at *it*.
>>
>> I can see that. However it's not merely frustrating, it's also
>contradictory
>> behavior with respect to the total lack of even the smallest amount of
>> courtesy towards Sky, if you ask me.
>
>This is risible given David's posting history with Terry, not to mention
>rather pathetic - see above.
>
>>
>> > I suspect you're a "heart people" like me.  I don't see the point
>> > either in flattering the troll by calling it intelligent but that's
>Daran.
>>
>> In truth I don't mind much if Daran does that, on condition that he also
>> doesn't start confronting *me* regarding my actions in relation to Ellen.
>> It's rather annoying to witness how Daran shows general esteem for an
>> obvious troll, but finds it necessary to reprimand me on several occasions
>> when talking to Ellen. I essentially don't want to get caught up in those
>> kinds of games, certainly not when I got little to do with them.
>
>You have everything to do with them, David. I have noticed a distinct
>tendency on your part to post one-liners in response to the Lady, even after
>it is clear they are not provoking a response. That is chasing the ace - all
>it gets you is increasingly frustrated and angry. I suggest you don't do
>it - but if you want to do it, don't take out your frustrations on the rest
>of the group. Don't pretend you think Terry is God's Gift to Usenet (when
>everyone knows you don't), and don't take cheap shots against other
>regulars. Or if you do, be prepared to forfeit what Lady Ellen would call
>our cosy willingness to support our Inner Sanctum right or wrong.
>
>>
>> > Like several others here he tries to find the good in people, and like
>> several
>> > others he also tries to present the flaws in their arguments (or in the
>> > Ellen-troll's case her persistent whines) by using logic.
>>
>> This sounds unusually philanthropic, if you ask me, and I don't suppose
>> Daran is *that* altruistic (even if he's a nice enough guy). I think
>that -
>> if he would be doing the same with other (more deserving) people - I maybe
>> could appreciate it better. Besides, why doesn't he try this same strategy
>> with Sky, then? Because that would be a real challenge (and not merely a
>> game). In my honest opinion Sky is at least as trustworthy as Ellen is.
>
>He did. I remember it. It didn't work. One thing you cannot accuse Daran of
>is inconsistency, or lack of courage in applying his principles. He gave
>Terry every opportunity - each one scorned. It's one of the reasons why I
>treat Lady Ellen's apologies for him with the contempt they deserve. Terry's
>had his fill of chances here, and like many others I know from personal
>memory how thoroughly nasty, vicious and callous he can be - in particular
>to visitors of t.r.he drove away. I don't need to Google Terry - I know him
>first-hand. I nevertheless started a debate with him after his latest
>'challenge' - don't believe I've had a sensible response yet?
>
>[...]
>
>John James (JJ)


All well said. :)

Heather