Re: To each their own. was: Re: Perhaps Cele has a crush on Sky? was: Re: NEIL---SOC.MEN take note MORE RAPE TALK ON THE NEIL ARTHUR

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:22:20 +0100, "David Lee Kollberg"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>"DEDHeather94" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>[...]
>
>> I'm not sure why the love for Sky King all of a sudden, but I think David
>is
>> angry because several of you have been trying to actually reason with the
>> Ellen-troll.
>
>This is certainly an aspect.
>
>> David, I'm not talking about you, ok? I don't want to be guilty of doing
>what
>> I just yelled at Daran for.  lol   The rest of this is addressed to you.
>>
>> I totally understand your frustration with that and I've shared some of it
>> myself.
>
>Okay.
>
>> But like Cele explained to me it's just the "head people" having their
>> go at *it*.
>
>I can see that. However it's not merely frustrating, it's also contradictory
>behavior with respect to the total lack of even the smallest amount of
>courtesy towards Sky, if you ask me.

David, I, like every other regular here, gave Sky a helluva lot of
leeway and several fair chances, and was consistently met with vulgar
insults and attacks. You haven't been here that long, but if you care
to google him you'll see any history you may have missed. Sky has been
afforded every courtesy and has worn out the patience of the regulars
in what smacks of an almost deliberate manner. If you don't wish to
google this, then please don't presume to pass judgement on a history
you don't share.

>> I suspect you're a "heart people" like me.  I don't see the point
>> either in flattering the troll by calling it intelligent but that's Daran.
>
>In truth I don't mind much if Daran does that, on condition that he also
>doesn't start confronting *me* regarding my actions in relation to Ellen.
>It's rather annoying to witness how Daran shows general esteem for an
>obvious troll, but finds it necessary to reprimand me on several occasions
>when talking to Ellen. I essentially don't want to get caught up in those
>kinds of games, certainly not when I got little to do with them.

Daran can certainly speak for himself, but I don't see him as a
games-player in this matter. Daran is exploring Ellen's capacity and
intent to contribute here. He has that right, and I'm grateful to him
for it, because his discussions with her allow me to assess her
contributions without the trouble of eliciting them. This is
especially useful given that she's taken up personally with me. You,
on the other hand, are a known poster, and Daran is treating you as he
treats all of us, and challenging you on behaviours with which he
disagrees. 

>> Like several others here he tries to find the good in people, and like
>several
>> others he also tries to present the flaws in their arguments (or in the
>> Ellen-troll's case her persistent whines) by using logic.
>
>This sounds unusually philanthropic, if you ask me, and I don't suppose
>Daran is *that* altruistic (even if he's a nice enough guy). 

I think Daran's behaviour over time shows *exactly* that pattern, and
I agree with Heather's attribution of motive. 

>I think that -
>if he would be doing the same with other (more deserving) people - I maybe
>could appreciate it better. Besides, why doesn't he try this same strategy
>with Sky, then? Because that would be a real challenge (and not merely a
>game). In my honest opinion Sky is at least as trustworthy as Ellen is.

He has done, as have we all. Sky has had more chances than the Al
Qaida in Arabia.

>> We're doing the same
>> thing (and so is Cele in Sky's case) by using humor and mockery.
>
>But it's *not* the same, is it.

In some ways it is, and in some ways it isn't. 

>> Either way
>> we're all just spinning in circles when it comes to the likes of either
>one of
>> them because logic is beyond them and mockery can get silly.  But to each
>their
>> own I guess.
>
>Tolerating "each their own" is an admirable attitude, IMO, although people
>shouldn't be surprised that other people are acting in accordance with a
>comparable approach. I mean, you cannot expect Sky to change his attitude
>while you never give him a real chance (not taking into account if he at all
>deserves that, of course). 

David, you might want to google Sky's full participation in this
newsgroup before you go too much further in this vein.

>The same is true for my replies to Ellen; Daran
>shouldn't tell me I'm a troll (or that I'm behaving like one), because that
>is unmistakably offensive (unless that was his aim, of course).

I think Daran honestly feels you are behaving like a troll.

I don't think you're deliberately trolling, but I personally feel
trolled by you today, nonetheless.

Cele