Re: To each their own. was: Re: Perhaps Cele has a crush on Sky? was: Re: NEIL---SOC.MEN take note MORE RAPE TALK ON THE NEIL ARTHUR

Lots of dynamics while I've been away it seems - some of them very strange.
Rather than scrolling endlessly back to find the OP BTW, my belated best
wishes to Ann on her good news. I hope that doesn't qualify me for TRIS
sycophancy. Well actually... I don't *give* a fuck - sorry Ellen.

"David Lee Kollberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > I'm not sure why the love for Sky King all of a sudden, but I think
David
> is
> > angry because several of you have been trying to actually reason with
the
> > Ellen-troll.
>
> This is certainly an aspect.

Oh dear, I do hope not. That would mean that you are feigning a mock concern
for Terry's treatment on this ng as means of revenge for other members of
the group not supporting your attempt to dismiss the Lady Ellen. By any
standards that is rather a shallow and mean-minded tactic, David. I thought
you better than that. I would point out that it is also rather implausible,
given your past posting history with the 'counsellor' from New England.

>
> > David, I'm not talking about you, ok? I don't want to be guilty of doing
> what
> > I just yelled at Daran for.  lol   The rest of this is addressed to you.

Well I am - I can 'do Daran' better than Daran if I want ;-). I'm just not
as methodical about it as he is... Oh, and Daran and I have several times
clashed on the issue of his piety - I doubt we need to do so again, but he
knows my position on it, and I know his.

> >
> > I totally understand your frustration with that and I've shared some of
it
> > myself.
>
> Okay.

I don't. The Lady Ellen is there for consideration - take her or leave her.
I wouldn't presume to judge the reaction of others in that respect. I find
it immature for David to post repeated contentless posts about her when she
has demonstrated that she won't respond to them, but I would have refrained
from commenting upon that if it were the only symptom of whatever ails him.
He's straying dangerously close to obnoxious though with the recent attack
on Cele. We may fall out over it if such behaviour continues. I give fair
warning.

>
> > But like Cele explained to me it's just the "head people" having their
> > go at *it*.
>
> I can see that. However it's not merely frustrating, it's also
contradictory
> behavior with respect to the total lack of even the smallest amount of
> courtesy towards Sky, if you ask me.

This is risible given David's posting history with Terry, not to mention
rather pathetic - see above.

>
> > I suspect you're a "heart people" like me.  I don't see the point
> > either in flattering the troll by calling it intelligent but that's
Daran.
>
> In truth I don't mind much if Daran does that, on condition that he also
> doesn't start confronting *me* regarding my actions in relation to Ellen.
> It's rather annoying to witness how Daran shows general esteem for an
> obvious troll, but finds it necessary to reprimand me on several occasions
> when talking to Ellen. I essentially don't want to get caught up in those
> kinds of games, certainly not when I got little to do with them.

You have everything to do with them, David. I have noticed a distinct
tendency on your part to post one-liners in response to the Lady, even after
it is clear they are not provoking a response. That is chasing the ace - all
it gets you is increasingly frustrated and angry. I suggest you don't do
it - but if you want to do it, don't take out your frustrations on the rest
of the group. Don't pretend you think Terry is God's Gift to Usenet (when
everyone knows you don't), and don't take cheap shots against other
regulars. Or if you do, be prepared to forfeit what Lady Ellen would call
our cosy willingness to support our Inner Sanctum right or wrong.

>
> > Like several others here he tries to find the good in people, and like
> several
> > others he also tries to present the flaws in their arguments (or in the
> > Ellen-troll's case her persistent whines) by using logic.
>
> This sounds unusually philanthropic, if you ask me, and I don't suppose
> Daran is *that* altruistic (even if he's a nice enough guy). I think
that -
> if he would be doing the same with other (more deserving) people - I maybe
> could appreciate it better. Besides, why doesn't he try this same strategy
> with Sky, then? Because that would be a real challenge (and not merely a
> game). In my honest opinion Sky is at least as trustworthy as Ellen is.

He did. I remember it. It didn't work. One thing you cannot accuse Daran of
is inconsistency, or lack of courage in applying his principles. He gave
Terry every opportunity - each one scorned. It's one of the reasons why I
treat Lady Ellen's apologies for him with the contempt they deserve. Terry's
had his fill of chances here, and like many others I know from personal
memory how thoroughly nasty, vicious and callous he can be - in particular
to visitors of t.r.he drove away. I don't need to Google Terry - I know him
first-hand. I nevertheless started a debate with him after his latest
'challenge' - don't believe I've had a sensible response yet?

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John James (JJ)