Re: Abortion

Ron Peterson wrote:

> In talk.philosophy.humanism Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > "David V." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > > Huh? Where did "ideals" come in anywhere?
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> > "as a society we make a statement that we value the murderer's life more
> > than that of his/her victim[s]."
>
> > That's a philosophical statement of belief, and, as such, cannot be a lie.
>
> It may not be a lie, but it is an unsubstantiated statement.
>
> In addition, the analogy is wrong. (Most analogies are.)
That depends on who is making them Ron.

> When people are opposing the death penalty they are saying that a person 
> has a right not to be killed by the state. They would probably agree 
> that a fetus shouldn't be killed by the state.
Though I can't prove it with statistical data my personal experience has 
proven the exact opposite. The problem, of course, is the lack of hard 
information from polls. Simple percentages for pro and anti simply won't 
do. I have searched the internet and have not been able to prove my 
supposition, which is all it is. I did find one paper which supports 
your hypothesis but I don't consider it conclusive in that it concerned 
only college students which can in no way be considered representative 
of the population as a whole.

> A person that is pro-choice is saying that the state doesn't have a 
> right to punish a woman for having an abortion. And, the state doesn't 
> have a right to punish a woman for getting pregnant. And, the state 
> doesn't have a right to punish a woman for giving birth to a child.

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