Re: Abortion

Ivan Gowch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> "Daniel T." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> ==>If a mother is allowed to abort or not, without the father's input, then 
> ==>the father should be allowed to force the mother to abort, even if she 
> ==>doesn't want to.
> 
>     If you believe that, then you must also believe that a
>     woman who does not desire to have any -- or additional
>     -- children, should be allowed to force her husband or
>     lover to have a vasectomy, even if he doesn't want to.

Nonsense, she has the right and ability to leave him and find someone 
else. What happens before conception is not at issue here.


>     If she doesn't have sovereignty over her own body,
>     why should he?

A fetus is joint property, not hers alone. As such, the father should 
have some say in what happens to it.


> ==>Using your logic above, a man could never be forced to pay child 
> ==>support. After all what he does with his body (or labor in this case) is 
> ==>his business as well isn't it?
> 
>     Don't be absurd.  One's labour is not the same
>     as one's body.
> 
>     If a man wants to avoid creating a child he may
>     be required to support, all he need do is
>     to sheathe one small appendage of his body in latex
>     when engaging in sex, and he'll never have
>     to worry about it.

Again, what happens before conception is not at issue.


>     What's wrong with you anti-choice types,
>     anyway?  Do you really want every horny teenage
>     kid's mistake to result in the creation of one more
>     unwanted, unloved human being?  Don't we have
>     enough of those already?

I'm not an "anti-choice type" I am probably a stronger abortion advocate 
than you are. I even believe that abortion should be mandated in some 
situations. What I really want is for every person who wants to raise 
his/her progeny to have the opportunity to do so. I believe that both 
parents should have a say in whether a child should be aborted. I 
believe that as long as at least one parent wants to raise the child, 
the abortion should be illegal, but if neither parent wants the kid, 
abortion should be mandated.