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Re: AT LEAST A QUARTER OF CONSERVATIVES ARE PARANOIACS



Unpleasant Truth wrote:

Don Swayser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...

Unpleasant Truth wrote:
> Don Swayser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>
>> Unpleasant Truth wrote:
>>
>>> It's a by-product of their deep-seated psychological insecurity.
>>> In fact, practically ALL conservatives' behavior can be traced to
>>> insecurity. We all know that one of the most important things to
>>> Conservatives is SOCIAL STABILITY:
>>>
>>
>> Anyone who doesn't want social stability must therefore favor
>> social instability, or chaos.


Not logical, idiot.



Not logical? Ok, what's the alternative? You sound like Leon Trotsky
when he was treating with the Germans in an attempt to get Russia out of World War One.
He suggested to the Germans that the state of the relations between the countries be one of neither peace nor war. The Germans thought he was nuts and told him so, and that a state of war still existed. Trotsky thereby surrendered.


So, now we have you suggesting that the opposite of social stabilty is not social instability.

Perhaps it would be wise to define just what is meant by stability and instability so we both know just what we are talking about. There is no society in which 100% of the population is content with the system. Modern societies must change or die. The difference is measured by HOW change is brought about.

Stabilty is defined as a society in which changes are brought about by working through the system. This is a natural evolution in a society such as ours. Our freedoms include freedom of speech and assembly. Therefore activities like publicly critizing and public protesting policies of the government are condoned activities. Acts of violence against individuals and their property, rioting and armed insurrestion are not. Therefore the first instance is stable, the second is not.

That's the choices you have. Choose.

Both Nazism and Communism came to

>> power at times of social instability. Therefore, it is only logical
>> to conclude someone who advocates that favors a totaliterian state,
>> or is a complete, toenail biting, ignorant moron.
>
> Only *TWO* scenarios? Brainstorming is certainly a challenge for the
> typical Conservative. And, that explains THESE STATEMENTS:
>
Ok, I can name a few more. Facism and Mussolini in Italy. Napoleon in
revolutionary France. Cromwell against Charles I in England. SO now it's
your turn. Name me one sucessful system built by social instability.

> THE PRESIDENT: ...I was in Florida...the TV was obviously on... I
> said, it must have been a horrible accident...and...my Chief of
> Staff...walked in and said, "A second plane has hit the tower,
> America is under attack."...And, Jordan, I wasn't sure what to think
> at first. You know, I grew up in a period of time where the idea of
> America being under attack never entered my mind-- just like your
> Daddy's and Mother's mind probably...
> http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/12/20011204-17.html
>
Oh, and you of course expected it. Billary Clinton surely didn't. He
tried to play nice with the Arabs. He backed one of their principal
terrorist organizations with the United States Air Force. SO, what led
you to know this country was going to be attacked and did you inform the
administration of you fore knowledge? How did they respond? Did they
listen to you when you told them before hand of the terrorist attacks on
the embassies? How about the attack on the American/European
neighborhood in Saudi Arabia? We surely could have used you in 1941.
To bad you weren't born till fifty years later, or is it forty five?

> OR, perhaps you believe that YOUR primary values are the "right"
> values! Imagine if every concert musician or great chef was afraid to
> make a mistake! If EVERYONE primarily concerned themselves with
> security/social stability, we'd have no true craftspersons at all. We
> wouldn't have great science, theory, technology...in fact YOU would
> be a mere shadow of the trained BABOON that you are now, sending
> these electronic messages-- because you would have no machine with
> which to send them!

If, as a musician and make a mistake a create a bad piece of music. If I
make a mistake as a chef I produce a dish which doesn't taste good. If I
make a mistake in social engineering I wreak death, suffering and
destruction on a society. The difference is like having a firecracker go
off by mistake in a city, and having a thermonuclear bomb accidentally
explode in the same circumstances.

>
> Social stability is over-rated.
>
So says one who has never experienced war, revolution, innsurection,
economic depression or social chaos. Right?
>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------ Main
>>> Entry: con·ser·va·tism Function: noun Date: 1835 1 capitalized a
>>> : the principles and policies of a Conservative party 2 a :
>>> disposition in politics to preserve what is established b : a
>>> political philosophy based on tradition and social stability,
>>> stressing established institutions, and preferring gradual
>>> development to abrupt change 3 : the tendency to prefer an
>>> existing or traditional situation to change
>>> http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary
>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> So, their need for everyone to conform, their trusting in
>>> authority, their craving for more and more money, their attempts
>>> to boss others around, the tendency to coerce others to act as a
>>> group (Cons can't just lock themselves at home instead of putting
>>> tacky flags on their SUVs and bothering ppl??)--these actions are
>>> about Cons' INSECURITY.
>>
>> Conservatives do indeed like to look before they leap.
>
>
> Eh, so you avoid risk and live to be 95 and become a burden to
> society. Hopefully an aide will BEAT your nasty old carcass in the
> nursing home. HOW SECURE IS THAT?
>
I've lived my life taking much more than the usual risks, but it was my life I risked, not others, except indirectly. And I don't want to live to be ninety five. Greed for life is a female thing. I'm fifty five and doubt I'll make it to sixty five. You are right about one thing, for you to beat me I'd have to be ninety five, crippled and senile.



>> They prefer the known quantity to that of the unknown. They like >> that which is proven to systems which could lead to disaster if >> adopted before thoroughly explored. In plain words the prefer to >> drive cars which won't suddenly burst into flames, morons prefer >> those that might. >> >> The point being if you're a paranoid you remain healthy. A moron >> almost always doesn't. Paranoids don't play in traffic, morons do. >> Say Hi to that oncoming bus for me. >

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If you want to be free, there is but one way; it is to guarantee an equally full measure of liberty to all your neighbors. There is no other.
Carl Schurz (1829-1906)





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