Re: Say NO NO NO to Wal-Mart!!!

Adios, amigos!
LZ

K Smith wrote:
> 
> jps wrote:
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> >
> >>On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 10:29:42 -0500, Harry Krause <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Their employees are almost free...
> >>
> >>They're totally free. Free to take the job, or turn it down.
> >>
> >>Bob
> >
> >
> >
> > That's part of the problem.  They're offering so little the only ones
> > willing to step up are either the painfully impoverished or illegal
> > immigrants whose pay in dollars eclipses what they can earn at home.
> 
>         So here's the lefties again wanting "protection" from competition, damn
> even from each other!!!! I guess they're so dumb they have plenty to
> fear from the genuinely poor not dumb who are willing to start somewhere
> to better themselves in the future & have they have their own "we're in
> charge" positions to protect.
> 
> >
> > Walmart won't pay a living wage.
> 
>         So don't work there anymore jps, I mean they obviously let you play on
> the computer all day so it can't be that bad:-)
> 
>    That's not letting market forces
> > determine the price paid for labor.
> 
>         Of course it is, why should "labour" be any different to any other
> business input??? Good quality anything will always command a higher
> price being paid for it & labour is a classic example, oops now I see
> your problem, you want totally uneducated people like yourself, with no
> drive or enthusiasm, who want to just serve customers here & there but
> mostly just stand around chatting all day, you want the same career
> prospects as someone who gets off their arse & actually tries to make a
> good life for themselves.
> 
>         Yes clearly I can see why "you" need protecting from those people,
> after all they'll eat your god given right to be a bludger every time.
> 
>    It's skirting the labor market at
> > the same time they play very aggressively in driving manufacturer's
> > prices down.
> 
>         On the consumers' behalf!!! & they pass this on to you in lower prices,
> that's how they've built a huge retailing enterprise. You can't be this
> dumb surely, you're just putting it on???? Or it's just more of that
> usual left wing envy??? Yeah sure jps you could have done that..... I
> don't think so you need help all the time so much so you now "demand"
> you be protected from those who will work.
> 
>         You can dislike them all you like, never shop there as you want or even
> just buy their very dear lines if it suits you, but because they try so
> hard you should be on your knees thanking them for making those choices
> available to you.
> >
> > It's not fair to use market forces on the purchasing side of the
> > equation while screwing labor on the other.
> 
>         It's all "fair" & the laws that govern monopolies & business behaviour
> etc are in place, so unless you can point to a statute being broken it's
> fair, indeed is terrific!!!
> 
>         I guess you want everybody here "forced" to buy defective Ficht OBs???
> dear dear dear you even have a Marxist in tow now, shameful.
> 
> K
> 
>  >     Here's some of Harry's lies for you, just to bring back old
> memories:-)
>  >
>  >> Here's just some of his prior lies (in his own words pasted);
>  >>
>  >> I sold off nearly $3,000,000 in new motors and boats, depressing
>  >> the new boat
>  >> industry in southern Connecticut for an entire season. Everything was
>  >> sold...every
>  >> cotter pin, every quart of oil, 30 days after I started. For near
>  >> full-retail, too.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> He had just under $1,000,000 on floor plan with a
>  >> syndicate of banks led by National Shawmut of Boston. He had been a
>  >> solid customer of that back for more than 20 years and they gave him
>  >> great rates.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> As far as your other complaints, well, almost every president in my
> memory,
>  >> and I *remember* Truman, Eisenhower (who cheated on his wife), Kennedy,
>  >> Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan and Bush, lied and participated in
>  >> deceit to one degree or another, and on issues far more important
> than who
>  >> was giving them blow jobs.
>  >>
>  >> Good lord. I met *every* president in the damned group except Bush,
> and I
>  >> worked once for his father.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> My father used to pray that the north shore of LI Sound would be hit by
>  >> a mild hurricane. No
>  >> one injured, no on-shore property damaged, but lots of boats sunk.
>  >> Preferably early in July.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> We had the Hatteras for two years. Last year, out of the cold clear, a
>  >> broker approached me with an offer to buy. Our continued Florida
>  >> lifestyle was somewhat up in the air, because the two breadwinners
>  >> hereabouts were about to be offered long-term but temporary assignments
>  >> they could not refuse in the Washington, D.C., area. So, after being
>  >> romanced a little, we sold the Hatt for almost precisely what we paid
>  >> for it. Not bad, after two full years of use. And I mean full years. So,
>  >> we didn't "make" any money off the Hatt, but we didn't lose any, either.
>  >> The proceeds were prudently invested.
>  >>
>  >>  The PWC was won as
>  >> a prize in a raffle.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>> Never mind that. Why does he have a Bilgeliner in front of his office?
>  >>> Is it a display of "Boating Don'ts?"
>  >>> Yeah, when we were in the boat biz, my father always had one or two
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> "around the back" that he was forced to take in trade. These were sold
>  >> as "as is, where is." He made sure the engine would start and run.
>  >> Beyond that, it was up to the prospective buyer to decide if he wanted
>  >> it. They moved off the lot pretty quickly, partially because my dad's
>  >> main store was on a highly trafficked commercial route with lots of
>  >> manufacturing and machining and aerospace plants near by. In those days,
>  >> workers at these places could fix anything.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> Actually, Dipper, I don't think my father ever saw a Bayliner. But
> he still
>  >> called bumpers bumpers.
>  >> --
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>    Bayliner wined and dined my father a half dozen times to entice him
>  >> into becoming its dealer. His operation was the largest small boat
>  >> dealership in its area of New England, and for 30 years, he was the
>  >> *exclusive* Evinrude dealer in a densely populated coastal county. He
>  >> also handled Mercuries. He never liked Bayliners, and referred to them
>  >> as "jerry-built."
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> From 1947 until he died, he sold more than 500 outboard motors a
>  >> year from his stores, accounting for a reasonably high percentage of
> *all*
>  >> outboards sold in his home state for those years.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> This is a killer. My father was in the boat business dating back to
>  >> right after
>  >> the Big War. When he died and I was looking through his warehouse, I
> found
>  >> wrapped in a nuclear fall-out bag (no kidding), a brand-new 1949
>  >> Evinrude 8015
>  >> 50 hp outboard. The motor was a gift to my father from Evinrude for
>  >> winning some
>  >> outboard stock utility or hydroplane race.
>  >>
>  >> I gave the motor to a friend of my dad's, who worked at the shop as head
>  >> mechanic. I don't believe he ever used it and I'm sure it is still
>  >> brand-new. I
>  >> have no idea who might own it now.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> He also built
>  >> boats, and I worked on a few, both wood, glass covered wood and
>  >> all fiberglass. After he died, however, we sold the biz and I've
>  >> just been an occasional boat owner.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> Besides, I worked off and on in the
>  >> boat business and inherited it when he died. So, as I said, I'm
>  >> knee-deep in boat heritage.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> Oh,
>  >> and I had some friends who died in the service, too, but it wasn't for
>  >> what they believed in. They were drafted, shipped to Vietnam and came
>  >> back in body bags.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>  During the war, he turned out experimental brass shell casings
>  >> for the
>  >> Army and hopped up outboards for the Navy, which wanted to use them on
>  >> smaller
>  >> landing craft. I had photos at one time of my father with Ole Evinrude
>  >> himself.
>  >> My mother knew one of Evinrude's wives...she was a minor movie star or
>  >> singer...I forgot which. Maybe both.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> Have you ever sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii? I have.
>  >> Have you ever rounded Cape Horn? I have, twice.
>  >> Have you ever transited the Panama Canal? I have.
>  >> Have you owned more than 20 boats in your lifetime? I have.
>  >> Have you ever sailed large boats competitively? I have.
>  >> Have you ever been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat under your
>  >> command? I have.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> My father and his chief mechanic once crossed the Atlantic in winter in
>  >> a 22'
>  >> boat powered by twin outboards. Yes, it is possible, even the fuel.
> Got a
>  >> "fireboat" welcome in NYC.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> Here are some:
>  >>
>  >> Hatteras 43' sportfish
>  >> Swan 41' racing/cruising sloop
>  >> Morgan 33
>  >> O'Day 30
>  >> Cruisers, Inc., Mackinac 22
>  >> Century Coronado
>  >> Bill Luders 16, as sweet a sailboat as ever caught a breeze.
>  >> Century 19' wood lapstrake with side wheel steering
>  >> Cruisers, Inc. 18' and 16' wood lapstrakes
>  >> Wolverines. Molded plywood. Gorgeous. Several. 14,15,17 footers with
> various
>  >> Evinrudes
>  >> Lighting class sailboat
>  >> Botved Coronet with twin 50 hp Evinrudes. Interesting boat.
>  >> Aristocraft (a piece of junk...13', fast, held together with spit)
>  >> Alcort Sunfish
>  >> Ancarrow Marine Aquiflyer. 22' footer with two Caddy Crusaders.
>  >> Guaranteed 60
>  >> mph. In the late 1950's.
>  >> Skimmar brand skiff
>  >> Arkansas Traveler fiberglass bowrider (I think it was a bowrider)
>  >> Dyer Dhow
>  >> Su-Mark round bilge runabout, fiberglass
>  >> Penn Yan runabouts. Wood.
>  >> Old Town wood and canvas canoe
>  >> Old Town sailing canoe...different than above canoe
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> Sometime in the early 1960s, I was driving back from Ft. Leonard Wood to
>  >> Kansas City in a nice old MGA I owned at the time. About halfway home it
>  >> started raining heavily, I turned on the wipers, and EVERY SINGLE
>  >> electrical accessory and light in the car flashed on, there was a large
>  >> popping sound and it all blew out at once. And the car caught fire. I
>  >> pulled over to the side of the road, watched the fire, removed my
>  >> license plate and hitched on home. For all I know, that old MGA is still
>  >> there.
>  >>
>  >> Sure was a pretty little car.
>  >>
>  >
>  > Puh-lease, Karen. You've not seen nor have I ever posted one example of
>  > my professional writings on building structure and the effects on it of
>  > hurricane-force winds and seismic activity. I haven't done any of these
>  > in at least 10 year, but at the time I was field researching,
>  > photographing and writing these reports, they were quite accurate,
>  > topical and well-received by their intended audiences.
>  >
>  >
>  > A small fleet of Polar skiffs were purchased by an inshore bait, tackle
>  >
>  >>> and boat rental business on the ICW in NE Florida. These boats were not
>  >>> used on open waters. Within 90 days, cracks developed in the liners
> that
>  >>> also served as the deck over the flotation in the bottom of the
> hulls. A
>  >>> guide I know, one whose boats and engines are supplied to him by
>  >>> manufacturers, also had a Polar skiff go bad on him for the same
> reasons
>  >>> -liner and then hull fractures.
>  >
>  >
> 
> Harry has claimed to have a 20 yrs his junior beautiful wife, he even
> put a fake pic of a beautiful woman on a website once claiming it was
> his "young bride", he may have a wife, although I doubt it, we don't
> like nor tolerate misogynists for long.
> 
>      Needless to say he's made up many "dramatic" over the top stories
> over the years about this lie to feed his ego & pretend he's the centre
> of attention, but as with his boat claims & other crap, there's never
> once been even a shred of independently verifiable material.
> 
>      After he stalked Madcow in real life, which was most frightening, I
> do suspect he's very very dangerous & that this "bride" story is his
> delusional appropriation of his, probably court ordered, treating
> psychotherapist as "wife" (it seems he was under lock & key for what??
> over a year??? a sexual deviant maybe??), have a read of just a small
> part of his BS & make up your own mind, it's all about free choice:-)
> 
> 1. She *is* my bride. There are no rules that determine the end of
> "bride-hood." If I want to refer to her as my bride, I may.
> 
> 2. As a professional writer, I know the rules of language and am entitled to
> break them in exercise of my license.
> 
> 3. I doubt many married women would object to their husbands lovingly
> referring to them as brides. The connotations are pleasant.
> 
> 4. She's 20 years younger than I am.
> 
> Naw. What happened was that I handled a couple of "political" consulting
> jobs funded out of the DC area to help a few candidates and defeat a
> couple of ballot issues. Through no fault of mine, we won each of the
> races, so some of the deep pockets types based in the DC area think I
> actually *know something* about the process. I was offered a contract
> that requires my presence in DC quite frequently. My bride also was
> offered a job up here that represented a significant professional career
> move. So, we're "up here" much of the time and "down there" the rest of
> it, except when we're "somewhere else." I've been back to Jax (well,
> really south of Jax) five times since coming "up here" late last summer
> and my bride just returned from a business trip there.
> 
> I swear this is true.
> 
> Here's a funny. My bride had to fly out to San Diego Wednesday and
> hitched a ride on her company's corporate jet. They landed in Salina,
> Kansas, which is due north of Wichita and Skippy's suburb of Derby.
> 
> So when she gets to San Diego, I get a call asking, "What the hell did
> you do in Kansas...we didn't fly over one significant patch of
> water...?"
> 
>  > Harry, you make over 500 posts a week to this group and you don't own
>  > a boat?
>  > And why are you so crabby?
>  > Maybe these two factors are related?
>  >
>  >
> 
> One has to own something to use it? Hmmm. My bride drives off in her car
> every day, but she doesn't own it.
> 
> I'm not crabby. You asked for advice I gave you some. I questioned your
> wanting to take a very small boat out into high seas and suddenly you
> turned sour. It's your pot; you are the one stewing in it.
> 
> No, it is the boat of a friend. It is a 24' ProLine center console with,
> if I recall, a 225 hp Merc on it. It was a dark and stormy day in
> January (1997) when we went out, but the sky cleared once we got out to
> the Gulf Stream.
> 
> Bride and I caught and released:
> 
> 1 white marlin
> 12-15 yellowtail snappers, maybe two pounds each. Pretty, pretty fish.
> Assorted red snappers
> 1 amberjack
> 2 jack crevalle jacks
> 1 snook
> Nondescript sharks
> 
> Did you spend a year as a line psychotherapist at a 650-bed state
> hospital for forensic patients?
> Did you spend a year as senior psychotherapist at a county facility for
> substance abusers?
> Did you spend two years as chief of therapy at a private, 200-bed
> facility for the mentally and emotionally ill, at which approximately
> half the patients were trying to beat drugs or alcohol?
> Are you currently chief of therapy for a for a multi-practitioner
> practice of some 825 patients, about a third of which are seeking help
> for substance abuse problems?
> 
> Licensed psychotherapist
> Screening as to character and background for each degree earned
> On-going screening by faculty while in educational system
> Interviews and screenings for required years of internships, plus, at
> the same
> time, supervision by a licensed professional.
> Close professional and personal supervision by a licensed therapist for
> two years
> of employment before being allowed to apply for licensure
> Licensure background check, submission of recommendations by licensed
> practitioners
> Four hour written examination on state laws
> Five hour written examination on diagnosis, procedure and practice
> 
> My wife went through this before becoming licensed. Her final internship
> was as a
> psychotherapist at a 600-bed high security state psychiatric hospital
> where, on a
> daily basis, she was exposed to more danger than your average soldier.
> 
> My wife worked for a year as psychotherapist in a Florida 600-bed state
> mental institution for forensic patients. She saw and treated numerous
> sexual deviants who do a bit more than expose themselves.  Such "treatment"
> is part of being in the mental health professions.
> 
> You see, I'm a nautical psychotherapist, and for only $125 an hour,
> until their health insurance runs out, I help Bayliner owners overcome their
> feelings of boatable inadequacy.
> 
> She is a licensed, practicing
> psychotherapist and often tells me I am the sanest person she sees each
> day. Which can be taken any way one likes.
> 
> 1. I'm married to a psychotherapist. Live-in therapy, dontcha know? And
> much of
> Freud is passe.
> 
> My ex-wife surpassed the anti-Christ at least a decade ago.
> 
> They're not actually "free" moments. I go to boat dealers to round-up
> Bayliner owners who are trying to find one who will take their own
> version of flotsam and jetsam in on trade.
> 
> 1. The address listed is not a home address. It is an office.
> 
> 2. I have three phone numbers. The phone number listed is not one of
> mine. It has never been one of mine. The phone number *did* belong to an
> after-hours message recording hotline my wife maintained for her most
> mentally disturbed patients. Some of these troubled souls were
> court-ordered referrals. *Every* call to that phone number--every
> call--was recorded AND because of the nature of the line, my wife had
> the ability to alert the telephone company to trace the phone number of
> every incoming call to that line, *even* if the person making the call
> tried to block his number.
> 
> Why, you might ask? Because when you are dealing with suicidal people,
> they'll liable to tell their therapist over the phone that they are
> planning to take their life. If the therapist believes the threat is
> real, she or he will want to dispatch emergency srvices and perhaps the
> police.
> 
> In the years my wife has provided this pro bono service, she has never
> received a threatening or abusive call from a mentally ill patient or
> court-ordered referral. However, after the ranking Flaming Ass of this
> newsgroup posted the hotline number in this newsgroup, she received a
> number of abusive, foul-mouthed AND life-threatening calls. These were
> mostly directed at me but, of course, I never received them BECAUSE
> (duh!) the phone is not mine and I've never answered it.
> Naturally, my wife alerted the authorities, with whom she works closely
> because of her court-referred patients. The authorities are
> investigating the callers and have involved both the FBI *and*
> authorities in other states, including Florida, Georgia, California and
> Texas. Working with the telephone company, the authorities have been
> able to trace the origin of virtually every abusive call. And, of
> course, they have the tape recordings of the abusive messages. Several
> suspects have been identified. I really don't know what the outcome of
> all this will be. We haven't had an update in several weeks, nor are
> either of us here that interested in the sleazeballs that would make
> such calls.
> 
> The phone number, of course, is "wired," so when the obnoxious calls came in
> from the idiot rec.boaters, the numbers were easy enough to trace. The local
> police handled a complaint, the local telco was involved and when it was
> discovered the point of origin was out of state, the FBI got involved. At
> least one of the idiots was caught and prosecuted. As far as I can tell, he
> has not posted here again.
> 
> >
> > jps