Re: Say NO NO NO to Wal-Mart!!!

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> jps wrote:
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> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
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> >>On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 10:29:42 -0500, Harry Krause <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>wrote:
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> >>>Their employees are almost free...
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> >>They're totally free. Free to take the job, or turn it down.
> >>
> >>Bob
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> > 
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> > That's part of the problem.  They're offering so little the only ones 
> > willing to step up are either the painfully impoverished or illegal 
> > immigrants whose pay in dollars eclipses what they can earn at home.
> 
> There's the key, the thing that proves there's no 
> "exploitation".

Good explanation on your part.  Your jujitsu skills are a little dull.

 
> > Walmart won't pay a living wage.
> 
> Not to you.  Your "lifestyle" is bloated.

Oh, you mean I'd like to able to eat and pay rent in the same month?  
God forbid I should have a child or need health services.

Where do you pull this shit from, other than your ass?

 
> > That's not letting market forces 
> > determine the price paid for labor.
> 
> They are indeed.

By hiring illegal aliens?  That's illegal.
 
> > It's skirting the labor market
> 
> Meaningless.

By who's rules, yours?  Do you make them up as you go?  Last I heard, 
hiring illegal aliens was still illegal.  It's not free market pricing 
if you can't buy the labor legally.

 
> > at the same time they play very aggressively in driving manufacturer's 
> > prices down.
> 
> That they do, to everyone's benefit.

Excepting the US-based manufacturer who cannot pay prison labor to 
manufacture his box fans.  Are you one of those idiots who try to pass 
that off as "being in the wrong business?"  If so, try owning and 
operating your own company for a while and see how it feels to consider 
the same.  And don't tell me you'd be too smart to do that.  Building 
companies takes time, resources and dedication and it doesn't come 
overnight like all you little pikers think.

 
> > It's not fair to use market forces on the purchasing side of the 
> > equation while screwing labor on the other.
> 
> They use market forces on both sides.

They skirt market forces on the labor side by paying below a living 
wage.  But then you don't seem to give a shit whether people can eat and 
live in housing in the same month.  

Again, God forbid they need a dentist.  You know where they'll get their 
health care?  That's right, at the local public emergency room.  How 
much do you suppose that costs us, the taxpayers?  Golly, lets not 
burden Walmart with having to make certain their employees have adequate 
access to health services.

> Being an economic illiterate, you don't recognize 
> market forces when they're chewing your empty head off.

I recognize when globalism is working against us. Labor markets overseas 
have neither the cost of living nor the investment capital committed to 
intellectual property.  It shouldn't be sold off to the cheapest 
supplier in an effort to commoditize products.  Corporate scum bleed our 
country of its intellectual property for short term profits and stock 
prices.  Short term thinking, we'll fix it later, a Republican mantra.

If I were an economic illiterate I wouldn't have survived being at the 
helm of a high tech company for the last dozen years.  90% of 
entrepreneurial companies don't make it past the two year mark.  I work, 
employ talented technical, production and administrative staff (provide 
them with health insurance) and sell into high tech markets in the US 
and have been doing so since you were smirking at your elementary school 
teachers.

Are you still an exchange student or did you end up dropping out of jr. 
high to become the smartass you are today?  Are you a compassionate 
conservative or do you pass on the moniker and just admit you're a cold 
asshole?

jps