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#PROPHECY TELLS US THE NATIONS ARE DRUNK!!



Cont'd from Part II, which show us how the bible declares in the last
days a New World Order will be erected and will be a replica or IMAGE
of the Inquistions during the period of Papal supremacy:

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=lqe6mv0g4auqf81in25dg6dkqfa8g2lapo%404ax.com

Part I details that Homeland Security is really THE INQUISITION:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-&selm=c359gvkmg6541nbegk92df2tshc1cl1qm9%404ax.com

In this part we will show you the truth about the war with Iraq, the
issue of terrorism and more issues in a way you haven't heard before!

In the last part we revealed what heaven thinks of the nations today.
We gave a preview of great changes that will ultimately take place.
We showed that the nations of the world are transforming to a
globalistic whole: consolidating into a New World Order that will
consequently be fashioned after the days of the Inquisition: fashioned
after a religiously-dominated police state where horrible atrocities
will again become a way of life.  Our issue in this part is to more
show that Heaven's assessment is true!  We are right now focusing on
the issue of terrorism.

The United States was long known to be a haven against terrorism.
American soil was deemed impenetrable to terrorists.  All can see that
there is now a big difference.  The Bush Administration has verbalized
to us that we are now in a new day and “new world” where terrorism,
unlike before, is a concern on American soil.  Let us look at the
transition.

Since the moment started after WWII when America decided to enter into
the quarrels between Jew and Arab by slapping the Arabs, the issue of
terrorism has been nothing for Americans to think about.  But about
the late 80's changes started to show in the sight of even many of the
average Americans.  Independent media that included magazine producers
began revealing things that were happening behind closed doors that
the national media and networks were not reporting.  More and more
reports were growing about acts of treason taking place underhandedly
in American government.  Often they began to show that the agenda
behind these acts were for the purpose of attaining GLOBAL DOMINATION!
We were introduced to people who had odd world-views, and it appeared
we did not understand where they got those views.  For many of us it
appeared like something new.

Next, George Bush Senior became President of the United States.
Saddam Hussein: a man heavily armed by weapons from the United States
through its "foreign policy" then took Kuwait.  Mr. Bush secured an
alliance and went over to afterward defeat Saddam Hussein and liberate
Kuwait.  AFTER THE WAR PRESIDENT BUSH SR. THEN REVEALED TO US
SOMETHING CALLED A “NEW WORLD ORDER.”  This is something we find
nowhere in the Constitution.  This is something we find nowhere in
campaign promises that elects presidents.  Here we are being
introduced to this.  We later find out that this is  not a new
concept, but has been in the planning for centuries.  Why didn't they
tell us about this sooner?  What has been all the secrecy behind this?
Is there a reason this has to be shrouded under secrecy?  Soon some
would understand that study is necessary to undeceive people about the
lie that this is a new concept.  Literature was showing that this
dream has for centuries been pushed by the most brutal and monstrous
of all peoples!  But here we are more showing you that the days of
peace and security from terrorist attacks really ended proportionately
to the number of national leaders who have the deviant world view that
demands A NEW WORLD ORDER!

We first see that our national leaders more and more have acquired the
deviant world view that requires a New World Order.  Did the
forefathers of America have that world view?  We answer POSITIVELY NO!
Tis not to be doubted that those who hold the desire for a New World
Order will lie and try to claim that the national forefathers had that
world view, but that is nonsense.  Whenever you even hear our national
leaders attacking someone who believes as the national forefathers
that America is not to interfere with the affairs of other nations,
you hear them accuse their victims of "isolationism."  Well every time
they make that attack they are attacking the views of the national
forefathers.  But still yet, since our national leaders do not have
the world view of the American forefathers, whose world view do they
have?  We already demonstrated that Adolf Hitler had the same dream.
We have shown that the Communists have the same dream.  Just below
here is another example of people who had the same dream.  This is a
quotation from George Washington.  We have to quote this, for whenever
we proclaim there is a conspiracy, strange people can't sleep, so they
flock around us and, as the Communists, tell us we are insane, even
though they claim we all can disagree.  I must introduce you to more
"sick" people then:

“I have heard much of the nefarious and dangerous plan and doctrines
of the Illuminati. It was not my intention to doubt that the doctrine
of the Iluminati and the principles of Jacobinism had not spread in
the United States.”  -- U.S. George Washington bicentennial
Commission, The Writings of George Washington Vol. 20  (Washington,
DC: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1941), 518; and Ralph Epperson,
The Conspiratorial View of History (Tucson:  Epperson, 1986), 2."

You may already have been told that the Illuminati order does not
exist.  Well you have been lied to!  You may have been told there is
no conspiracy.  The Illuminati group is largely based upon conspiracy.
ALMOST EVERY ENEMY WE CAN REMEMBER OUR NATIONAL FOREFATHERS HAD
POSSESSED THE SAME GLOBALISTIC NEW WORLD ORDER WORLD VIEW OUR CURRENT
NATIONAL LEADERS HAVE.  

Here is another quote from President George Washington that helps us
to see the mindset of the national forefathers so that we can compare
it to the present.  Remember the charge of being an “isolationist:”

“Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to
believe me fellow citizens), the jealousy of a free people ought to be
constantly awake; since history and experience prove that foreign
influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government.
But that jealousy, to be useful, must be impartial, else it becomes
the instrument of the very influence to be avoided, instead of a
defense against it.  Excessive partiality for one foreign nation and
excessive dislike for another, cause those whom they actuate to see
danger only on one side, and serve to veil and even second the arts of
influence on the other.  Real patriots, who may resist the intrigues
of the favorite, are liable to become suspected and odious; while its
tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people, to
surrender their interests.

The great rule of conduct for us, in regard to foreign nations, is, in
extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little
political connection as possible.  So far as we have already formed
engagements, let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith.  Here let
us stop.” -- President George Washington, William Hoffman, David (New
York: Lyle Stuart, 1971), 45 (according to information provided in the
book America's Sixty Families, by Ferdinand Lundber, 1937).

Here first we need to understand that the Illuminati HAS THE SAME
WORLD VIEW AS OUR CURRENT NATIONAL LEADERS.  Next, you see George
Washington telling all not to have dealings with the other nations.
This was almost a unanimous consent issue with the American
forefathers.  The Illuminati also, naturally, believed that America
should link up with the other nations.  How can a New World Order be
constructed if this doesn’t happen?  In order to accommodate this, the
other nations of the old world have been evolving more toward American
principles so that the difference in prosperity be not too widely
seen.  The principles of the American forefathers were so powerful
that in just a short time there was such a difference between anything
and everything else, the other nations had to evolve more to American
principle or all hope for a New World Order would be lost!  

Though these ideas were well before any of us were born, since the
declaration of former President George Bush Sr., we saw that something
was coming out of the closet.  We were beginning to understand that
there were impressions called WORLD VIEWS.  People viewed the world
differently.  At the same time, from the beginning of the
establishment of freedom, those who established it were telling us
there are armies of people in the world who have a passion against
freedom and against the Constitution.  But living in the United States
all our lives under an invariable trust in its strength and the wisdom
and keenness of our leaders caused us to not think much about it.
This country is strong and has been around for a long time.  Likely,
it will remain much longer.  If it falls, who cares anyway?  WILL IT
FALL IN MY LIFETIME?  If it happens after me, who cares!  

Since the independent media began to more and more report about these
things, the traitors knew that something had to be done.  One such
measure was already put into practice from the beginning.  They made
it out that we must show we are free by constantly debating and
questioning everything.  Every kind of issue must come up and every
wind of different opinion must be allowed.  They have to claim that
this is what makes America strong when actually that is not true.
They termed this “unity in diversity.”  

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In order to see a profound definitive work about the real purpose of
this “unity in diversity” principle, please visit the following link
that represents the first part of a series when you have some time:

<http://www.seventh-dayadventism.com/DiversityI.html>
-------------------------

Contrary to this, we ourselves witnessed rare times when some came
with such powerful truth on the issues no one could stand before them.
Under rare conditions there were people who demonstrated what was
truth over and above all debate, and showed they had the ability to
make it known.  They were clearing up the debate.  So profound were
their arguments that no one could answer their questions.  WE WATCHED
STRANGE PEOPLE THEN ATTACK THESE WHOSE VIEWS WERE TOO POWERFUL AND
THEN MOVED TO TAKE THEM OUT OF THE WAY AND MAKE THEIR WORDS FOR
NOUGHT.  Brother Ted is one such example.  Next, when some started to
talk about what the independent media was revealing concerning the
treason taking place in both church and state, we would notice those
same strange people work to approach us and then they would suddenly
break out laughing telling us how we are "conspiracy theorists," how
we were mentally ill and were PARANOID.  After long teaching us we are
going to have to understand that people will disagree with us,
whenever anyone talks about a conspiracy they wind up not being able
to sleep.  They find their ways through mountain, sea and flood to
reach where we are and all but literally tell us we must not believe
there is a conspiracy. It winds up being futile to ask them why.  They
pretend we don't ask.  They substitute answering our questions with
laughter, scorn, ridicule and person attack and then all kinds of
preaching against making personal attacks.  We bringing up the most
dangerous of issues yields them constanty telling us we are
"PARANOID."  All these tactics are used over and over and over again.
With this comes more plans for the government to aim at the privacy
and other constitutional rights of the citizens of the United States
because of some concern that heaven is falling down and crime is
overwhelming.  Can the strange people on the internet recognize
paranoia now?  Now more and more we are being told that Constitutional
freedoms are an enemy to peace and security by the self-appointed
non-paranoid bunch.

The new concept of a New World Order started to come out of the
closet.  Then came the Persian Gulf War in early 1991 with former
President Bush Sr. unveiling of a supposedly new concept called a New
World Order.  That appeared to have marked the end of the days of
peace when America was deemed a haven against terrorism WITH FULL
CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE MAINTAINED!  Something
“new” had materialized.  Then came 1993 when the WTC buildings were
under a terrorist attack.  They were bombed, but they still remained
standing.  Soon after came the Oklahoma City Bombing of the Edward R.
Murrah building.  Next came the bombing in Atlanta.  Instantly our
media was telling us what had been verbalized in Washington for a long
time:  "WE MUST GIVE UP SOME OF OUR LIBERTIES FOR SECURITY!!"  Let us
therefore take a quote coming from a time when America was not DRUNK:

"Those who would give up essential liberties for a measure of
security, deserve neither liberty nor security." 
- Benjamin Franklin

These are divine and prophetic words that will ultimately reach their
fulfillment.  The book of Revelation is one foretaste of the future
forecasting this fact for us!

So with the three terrorist incidents that took place during the 90s
came the call for Americans to give up their liberties so that the
non-paranoid government can "route the militia groups."  Militia
groups were blamed for acts of terrorism at that time.  Should the
American people give up their liberties?  It soon after became
apparent that the American people were not that DRUNK yet, so we were
tempted to believe that something needed to happen that would attract
their attention.

Carnivore, was unveiled to the American in the year 2000 BEFORE THE
TERRORIST ATTACK OF 911.  It is a powerful snooping device that gives
the government the capability of doing what she has shown she wanted
to do for a long time: be able to snoop through all the private emails
and internet transactions of the people.  All this under the paranoid
fear that the sky was falling with crime and terror BEFORE the real
terror attack started!  All the more it should have been caught!  Back
then, and even today, if you were to take a poll of the “paranoid”
multitudes of the citizens of America the government wants to educate
into non-paranoia and ask them if Carnivore or a snooping government
is necessary because the sky is falling, the vote will likely yield a
majority no.  But how can the paranoid federal government take such a
disappointment?  Such a vote would never be allowed!

It was developed at a time when the character trait of PARANOIA
greatly irritated the more and more intrusive federal government as it
does the strange scoundrel posters all over the internet.  The
establishment of Carnivore is the result of the growing disease among
"American" leadership called, "PARANOIA!"  The government was already
known to be extremely intrusive and constantly changing becoming more
and more intrusive.  The American people are very concerned about
this.  Whenever they even buy software for privacy they do it out of a
great concern that the Federal government is snooping on them.  How is
the government to deal with that concern?  They must call it
"PARANOIA" and do everything to laugh it off.  What next?  Next, THE
GOVERNMENT MUST CONTINUE TO BECOME MORE AND MORE INTRUSIVE.  Each cry
against its intrusiveness must be followed by more measures to become
more and more intrusive.  Common sense, right?  Does that make sense
to you?  To be a government official you must have at least had a
solid education.  If a staggering percentage of the American citizenry
do not trust the government, what should the government do?  Raise
taxes?  Remind the American citizens that the first words that start
the Constitution of the United States is, “WE THE PEOPLE?”

Well we found the same disease in the leadership of different
churches.  One after another studious Christians of different
denominations are noticing that there is an increasing hostility
against the principles that founded their churches.  We are
Seventh-day Adventists, and yes, we had been battling for a long time
with an intensive hostility to the principles of Adventism by its
church leaders.  Distrust of leadership has been growing to such a
boiling ratio within Adventism that it had to be addressed in their
sermons and publications.  It got to the point where independent
ministries were arising outside of the authority of the church and
were producing video tapes that exposed much of what was going on.
The most outright acts of treason were being revealed before
multitudes of Adventists directly on video!  The church publications
were examined on video tape, and at times even church board meetings
were photographed where the boldest treason against the church were
being accomplished by church leaders.  It got to the point where the
Adventist Church had to address the fact that a staggering percentage
of Adventists had begun to send their tithes or monetary support to
these independent ministries instead of to the corporate church.
Common sense is now again necessary here.  This was a big problem that
church leaders sooner or later had to address.  Ministers stood on the
pulpits to address what they claimed was a problem with the members.
Those ministers told their congregations that they didn’t trust the
leaders, so they had a terrible spiritual problem.  What next needs to
be done under common sense?  Can you figure it out?  RIGHT!  After
showing the congregation their “problem” more and more hostility must
be shown to the founding principles of the church.  More demands for
change need to be issued.  That is exactly what has been done to this
day!

So here we see two examples of strange common sense under the
statement from the bible telling us that the nations, at the end of
time, will be DRUNK.  Our national leaders conclude the best way to
deal with lack of trust of leadership IS TO CONTINUE DOING THE THINGS
THAT CAUSED THE DISTRUST.  Church leaders conclude that the best way
to deal with lack of trust of church leadership IS TO CONTINUE DOING
THE THINGS THAT CAUSED THE DISTRUST.  For a long time it was
considered that when Seventh-day Adventists seek to nominate leaders,
the first qualification they must satisfy is possession of a doctorate
degree.  They must be well educated and very intelligent.  In both
cases between church and state we find that they use their strange
common sense to deal with distrust of leadership.  Yet we see that it
is happening in state affairs.  Next we see the same thing happening
in church affairs.  We put it together and say:  “It’s happening in
State!  It’s happening in Church!”  It’s happening in State!  It’s
happening in Church!  It’s happening in Church!  It’s happening in
State!  It’s happening in Church!  It’s happening in State!  HEY!  A
RELIGIO-POLITICAL SYSTEM IS BEHIND IT!!  Here is where we found a
major BINGO!

Then September 11th 2001 came.  We already then had an intrusive
government telling us on every opportunity under her breath that
Constitutional liberties are a hindrance to security.  With a thirst
against liberty for the American people that could not be hid,
although preparing against terrorism behind the scenes for a long time
to the point of staging military exercises in populous cities OUTSIDE
OF THE KNOWLEDGE AND INVOLVEMENT OF THE CITIZENS, THE GOVERNMENT
DEMONSTRATED A STUNNING INEPTNESS AGAINST 19 HIJACKERS DURING 911!!
The exercises being performed were not like a fire-drill where the
American citizenry would be involved to educate them on emergency
procedures.  These exercises were done for the direct purpose to catch
the population by surprise.

As soon as 911 took place our website published "WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO
PRIVACY NOW!"  For we knew that only one group of people would profit
greatly and get what they want out of the 911 terror attacks.  Did the
terrorists get what they wanted?  The whole world looked on in horror.
The terrorists are more alienated from world sympathy for their
concerns.  The United States bombed Afghanistan in response so that
the terrorists lost more lives than what they took.  The United States
is NOT LESS, BUT MORE emboldened to support Israel over the Arabs and
any issue of fairness between the two.  They MORE want to bite off the
ears of anyone who would suggest that's what they're doing or must
stop.  Did the American citizens profit from 911?  They lost thousands
of lives.  They willingly consented to lose some of their liberties!
After that cataclysmic sacrifice they were told OVER AND OVER NOT TO
ALLOW TO HAPPEN by the American forefathers, what did they gain after
allowing their liberties to be sacrificed?  The Bush Administration
told them to continue conducting business.  Continue living.  Since
they therefore put that government that failed them so greatly to now
protect them, what have they gained?  They gained terrorism alerts,
tyranny lurking behind the scenes, and a promise that terrorism will
still yet be able to hit our country with looming announcements
designed to inspire fear and more willingness to give up more
liberties.

They've gained TERRORISM ALERTS!  With the lie that the American
people must continue to live life, we didn't have to use a ouija board
to tell that those who naturally hate liberty and freedom who dominate
the federal government WILL CONTINUE TO MAKE THE ISSUE OF TERRORISM AS
MUCH AN ABSORPTION IN THE MINDS OF THE CITIZENS THEY'RE TRYING TO
TEACH NOT TO BE PARANOID AS POSSIBLE.  THE NEW OBSESSION MUST CONTINUE
TO THE ACTUAL DESTRUCTION OF THIS NATION.  You give people who hate
liberty what they want by surrendering your liberties, and the only
thing that can happen is that the way will be paved for more
calamities to come that will cause more and more calls for the
surrendering of more liberties.  The Patriot Act therefore came out
with all the principles of the Inquisition clearly showing the
heart-beat of what most of our government officials want.  All this is
swept under the rug by their lips moving claiming they want the
opposite and want to defend freedom.  Each advanced step attacking
liberty is paved with constant claims of how freedom needs to be
defended and is very much loved.  "WE WANT TO END TERROR, CATCH THE
TERORRISTS AND CATCH ALL THOSE WHO WOULD AID AND ABBET THEM!" says the
government.  “WE WANT TO END TYRANNY!”  Is that true?

So, since we gave up "some" of our liberties, things are not like they
were before.  We are now told that we must give up some of our
liberties for security, "SO THAT WE CAN AT LEAST LIVE!"  Doesn't that
sound logical?  But what about our national forefathers and the
thoughts of that time when America wasn't "DRUNK?"  Who was it that
said, "Give me liberty or give me death!!"  That was Patrick Henry
speaking, and he presented these thoughts on March 23, 1775.

The government therefore comes out with terrorism alerts.  For a long
time our website was showing how the government was not catching
terrorists to show the benefit of the American citizenry giving up
their liberties.  The government was instead issuing "terrorism
alerts" showing the benefits of their snooping devices.  Instead of
catching them and then telling us what they intended, they were giving
terrorism alerts to put a constant state of fear upon the people.
After we had this on our website for a while, we remember one day a
whiles back President Bush presented some terrorists that were caught
and told us that they were caught by the citizens giving up some of
their liberties for security.  After that, the paranoic terrorism
alerts continued under the lie that the government wants to catch
terrorists.  How can we say that was a lie?  A message to the American
people:

Are we drunk?  What should we think when the government announces
stories like the following example while telling us they want to catch
terrorists:  "Intelligence sources indicate that it is likely a
terrorist attack may occur on some of the ferries in the New York City
area.  We therefore have to raise the terrorism alert level to
orange."  The American people hear this complete embarrassment to
their intelligence.  They don’t even understand what they’re hearing!
They are not drunk?  Do these words from the government indicate that
they want to catch terrorists?

IF YOU ARE A TERRORIST PLANNING TO ATTACK ANY OF THE FERRY SERVICES IN
NEW YORK CITY, WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF YOU HEAR YOUR PLANS ANNOUNCED
PUBLICLY ON NATIONAL TV??  I would think you would rather be thanking
the government for showing you they already know about your plans and
wish for you to escape to plan something better and greater!  YOU MEAN
TO TELL ME THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAS TO INFORM THE TERRORISTS FIRST OF
THEIR PLANS TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BEFORE THEY CATCH THEM??  And yet
Harvard is there watching; Yale is there watching; Princeton is there
watching.  So many other education systems are there watching AND NO
ONE CAN GET A CLUE!!  Is it really true that if education is expensive
we are to try ignorance??  Why not just be ignorant?  It will save
much debt in college expense!!

WHAT DID YOU GAIN WHEN YOU GAVE UP YOUR LIBERTIES TO THE GOVERNMENT
PEOPLE???  Didn't you give up your intelligence also??  YES!!  From
the beginning it was ludicrous to even tolerate ANYONE in government
who in any way showed he does not like the liberties of the people.
The American population have long known that the government is
crawling with people who fundamentally hate liberty.  Tis only to be
assumed rightfully that such people have a talent to verbalize how
much they love liberty.  What is to happen if you allow people who
fundamentally hate liberty to actually be the ones to defend it?

The enemies of liberty have been in business for centuries, and they
know the only way to transform a free government to a police state is
to BRING ON A MAJOR CRISIS.  That was how globalists always worked.
They know a great saying that goes like this:  "Great problems cry out
for great change."  All around you is the constant cry for change in
America.  The more the cry for a New World Order was sounded, as time
progressed, was the more terrorism was likely to happen since three
major incidents then took place in the 1990s.  Now some 19 terrorists
boarded airplanes on September 11th 2001.  If government leaders who
hate liberty wanted a major crisis that would inspire change, what
would they do if they see and knew about a terrible calamity to come
imminently?  Would they stop it? OR WOULD THEY LOOK AWAY?  We, as well
as the American forefathers and any other person with common sense
would realize the second option is the answer!  We thence heard a
report that some 12% of Americans actually concur and believe that the
federal government was behind or cooperated with the 911 attacks.  Is
that true?  You mean the federal government knew about this great
distrust of itself by the American people and that being intrusive and
growingly hostile to the Constitution is a major cause of it?!!!  Her
response is to become more and more intrusive?  We’re not drunk??

Now Attorney General John Ashcroft moves into play.  We have witnessed
this man boldly tell the most profound lies before millions of the
citizens of America and everything is working out under the same
historical model as the Nazi party's rise to power in Germany.
Government officials came out and wound up telling the boldest lies to
the German people.  The more we hear John Aschroft justifying the
Patriot Act is the more we feel it would be appropriate to make a
documentary called, "The Collected Lies of Attorney General John
Aschroft!"  We were given a periodical having an article that
documented John Ashcroft defending the unconstitutional Patriot Act
which is the result of 911.  In that article Ashcroft was defending
the feds new powers to detain people, to snoop on the citizens and to
condemn and punish anyone based on government whims and even in
secret--all attributes of the most historically brutal of all
governments.  He began to say that the government doesn't apologize
for their insistence of the provisions given them by the Patriot Act,
and then lied telling us that since the establishment of this Act,
some 3,025 terrorist foot-soldiers have been caught.  LIE!!

You may be asking how we know this is a lie.  We are not saying it's a
lie because they didn't actually capture over 3,000 terrorists.  We
are saying it's a lie because Ashcroft is telling us they caught over
3,000 terrorists THAT THEY WOULD NOT HAVE CAUGHT HAD THEY NOT BEEN
GIVEN THE UNCONSTITUTIONAL POWERS GIVEN THEM IN THE PATRIOT ACT.  One
major lie given us by the federal government is that September 11,
2001 is a magical date.  On that date, Arabs finally realized that
they should be attacking the United States, and that even from the
inside.  The period of peace against terrorism prior to that date and
prior to the 90s with all the talk about that beloved New World Order,
was a fluke.  Now since September 11th, terrorists are literally
raining from the sky and can be found under every leaf, bed and
underwear!  Can you imagine that since the unconstitutional Patriot
Act, the government is telling us that OVER 3,000 TERRORIST INCIDENTS
WOULD HAVE OCCURRED if they had not acquired unconstitutional power???
Well, to be fair, that is not exactly correct.  Remember that as much
as 19 hijackers were involved in the 911 attacks.  Alright then, to be
fair, let's divide 3,025 by 19.  The result is just over 159.
According to the feds, if they were not given the unconstitutional
powers they always sought for even before 911, over 159 terrorist
attacks would have occurred each containing even as much as 19
terrorists to commit in each attack!!  You believe that?  If you do,
you better consider that scripture where heaven is telling us WE ARE
DRUNK!

Later on, as more and more people are fed up with those who
fundamentally hate the Constitution, John Ashcroft sees the need to
defend the indefensible.  We will later show you how Ted Seeber became
very upset at us when we began posting how the American citizens not
only don't need to give up their privacy, BUT THAT THEY SHOULDN'T DO
IT!  Ted Seeber became very upset and moved in to do everything in his
power to tell us liberty is a hindrance to security.  In that same
vein, John Ashcroft went out to defend the Patriot Act.  He begins to
tell us that since the Patriot Act, America is now protected by a
streamlined-community that is guaranteed to keep America safe.  He
then tells a tall-tale fib by telling us that the Patriot Act is
Constitutional.  For those of you who don't know, the Constitution was
a document that was established to protect the American Citizens FROM
THE GOVERNMENT!  It was established by people who knew what tyranny
was.  They knew tyranny always required the presence of Government.
Therefore part of the provisions of the Constitution has the Second
Ammendment which allows the citizens to bear arms.  Why?  I assure you
it is not to fend off burglars!  It was established just in case THE
GOVERNMENT BECAME TYRANNICAL.  Part of the provisions of the
Constitution demanded that no standing armies be continually around
the presence of the American people.  Is this talking about foreign
armies?  NO, IT IS EVEN TALKING ABOUT OUR ARMIES.  Neither the Army,
the Marines, the Navy, or Reserves, nor any branch of the military is
supposed to be around we the American citizens.  Do you know what you
see now at the airports?  All under the paranoia for PEACE AND SAFETY!

Now comes the war in Iraq.  After the issue of terrorism came to a
height, and people were thinking that no unnecessary offenses should
be issued to the Arabs, President Bush Jr. suddenly caught the bug and
began focusing on Saddam Hussein in Iraq.  This was a while now after
911 and we began to view that the time had come for some more
necessary agitation so that a cause for more terror attacks can be
established.  President Bush began to constantly accuse Saddam Hussein
of having weapons of mass destruction.  Saddam Hussein denied that he
has any.  Who is telling the truth and what is to be done?

Soon now North Korea comes out and boldly announces that she is
producing weapons of mass destruction.  Does North Korea know that the
United States government is very paranoid about countries with a
potential for aggression having weapons of mass destruction?
Obviously she does.  North Korea continues however to issue her 21 gun
salute in the face of America then issuing theats to Saddam Hussein
for having the same thing.  Arabs are watching the whole thing.  No
matter what, nothing can bring the attention of America to North Korea
and what she was doing.  What is going on here?

Rush Limbaugh, when confronted with this, began to tell us that North
Korea is not that bad.  He told us that North Korea admitted that it
had weapons of mass destruction and therefore is not as bad as Iraq.
He then told us that North Korea never used such weapons against its
own population as Iraq did, and therefore North Korea is not that bad.
Some years back during the Clinton Administration, Rush told us about
the evils of the Communist Chinese.  America was eager to always have
her as a trading partner despite the fact that she was Communist and
was engaged in many human rights abuses.  At that time both he and
Shawn Hannity told us about Communists:  They told us there was not a
crime that Communists cannot do, and that any who thought America
should ally with them in any way under any consideration that they
have changed are "detached" from history.  Now a communist country
announces boldly that it is making weapons of mass-destruction at the
same time America is showing so much concern against this with Iraq,
and the feds couldn't see that something was wrong with North Korea!
President Bush kept threatening Iraq and ignoring North Korea.  Did
Arabs see this?  We say YES they did!  We go as far to declare that it
was designed for Arabs to see that.

President Bush then began to threaten Saddam Hussein.  Saddam kept
replying that he didn't have any weapons of mass destruction.
President Bush was asked to present his solid evidence that Saddam had
the weapons he claimed they did.  Did president Bush supply that
incontrovertible evidence?  NO!  What must be done next?  Well see we
have a governmental system under the Constitution that guarantees
governmental checks and balances.  The Executive Branch of government
here in the US is to be checked by Congress, and they all are to be
checked by the Judicial Branch of government.  Things however will
change if these branches of government are staffed with people who
also desire a revolution and a police-state/Inquisition type
government.  Some have lately been complaining over the fact that the
Executive Branch of government: the Presidency of the United States,
has been becoming just too powerful over the years commensurate with
the cry for this New World Order.  Why is that so?  That is because
neither Congress nor the Judiciary branches of government are agreeing
TO DO THEIR JOBS to check the Presidency!  

Some years ago under the Bush Administration (President Bush Senior)
there was the issue over whether or not these high-level government
officials should have a pay raise.  At that time the economy was in a
very bad condition and people thought that was not the time for
government officials to be discussing raises in pay for themselves.
President Bush Senior said that government officials deserved a
massive raise in pay.  At about the same time a bill was given to
President Bush for him to raise the minimum wage for the lowest paid
Americans.  He strongly opposed that proposition, stating that it
would be inflationary.  He promised to veto it, which he did in quite
a manner.  When the bill came in, President Bush Senior did not even
allow it to touch his desk.  He signed a veto to it right on the wall
and sent it back we were told.  But now again we have to understand
that IT IS THE JOBS of Congress and the Judiciary to check the
Presidency and to check each other.  Time and time again increasingly
as time goes on, they refuse to do this knowing that it would produce
presidents that have too much power.  That's what happened in the
situation with the war in Iraq also.  NO INCONTROVERTIBLE EVIDENCE WAS
GIVEN BY THE PRESIDENT!

We then saw the manipulation of thoughts that were going on.
President Bush Jr., didn't nearly have the support his father did
during the Persian Gulf War for the new war in Iraq.  Again the whole
proposition was thrown into debate.  We heard a reporter ask someone
on TV whether or not he agreed "WITH THE PRESIDENT."  Notice those
words!  Soon afterward as President Bush continued to press his
intentions, those words changed.  Later another reporter asked a
person being interviewed whether or not he thought other nations
agreed "WITH AMERICA."  It is not with the President anymore.  It is
with America, and that even with the fact that the majority of
Americans did not support the proposition.  Later and finally the
words changed again and President Bush's name changed again.  The
words then became: SUPPORT OUR TROOPS!  That then became President
Bush's name.  Do we support President Bush?  He put the troops into
combat.  Now we have to agree with the President/America/THE TROOPS!

Soon concerned citizens who realized no solid proof was given to
justify putting our soldiers in harms way were accused of not
SUPPORTING OUR TROOPS!  Many of these concerned citizens even had
children that were part of the armed services.  The talk shows began
to support President Bush now renamed OUR TROOPS incessantly.  Every
chance they got they accused those who were opposed to the war with
not supporting the troops.  Here is an excerpt of a conversation that
took place earlier just after the 911 attacks that revealed the nature
and aims of President Bush as it relates to freedom.  Here President
Bush is making his Ground Zero speech just after the 911 attacks.
This was posted on the newsgroups.  Notice the date:

EITHER WITH US OR WITH THE TERRORISTS!!
>On Tue, 25 Sep 2001 22:22:54 GMT, Raymond Amundson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>
>>"Either you are with us or you are with the Terrorists"
>>                                           - George W. Bush
>>
>>
>>
>>We have a "Double Edged Sword"
>>
>>If I am to be with George, I have to go to WAR
>>and BE VIOLENT.
>>
>>If I am to be with the "terrorists", I have to suffer
>>war and defend myself with VIOLENCE.
>>
>>
>>What ever happened to neutrality?
>>What ever happened to the legendary:
>>"Thou shall/shalt not kill"?

Brother Ted then replied:

WHATEVER HAPPENED TO FREEDOM!!

------------------------------------

As President Bush, in that speech was telling us he was there to
defend freedom, he was already showing another side that was more
reality than the superficial statement of intent.  He didn't allow any
nation the freedom to disagree even with his means of attacking
terrorism.

Even the radio talk shows did not allow freedom.  They constantly
worked against all who voiced their disapproval of the war after
hearing the justifications and proofs that established the need for
it.  Yet they constantly accused those who opposed the war with not
being willing to defend freedom on top of their constant accusations
that those who disagreed with the war don't support the troops.  Would
that be a watchword to defend every wrong decision or even every
tyrant that may reside in America?

The war then started with Iraq.  Immediately we noticed that something
was wrong.  Saddam Hussein was not using any biological weapons of
mass destruction upon the advancing American troops.  Why not?  The
reason why not was obvious.  That was because they didn't have any
biological weapons of mass-destruction!  Then lies had to fly around
in the same way they are constantly done on the newsgroups.  We heard:
"Well they knew that using biological weapons of mass-destruction
would have no effect on the American troops, so they didn't bother to
use them!"  LIE!!  You mean to tell me that Saddam Hussein, a man
soundly beaten in 1991 by the forces of America to such an astounding
degree knew that biological weapons of mass destruction would have no
affect on America, but having a war with her will?  When Saddam was
first beaten the going language was that Iraq was "Bombed into the
stone age!"  Now some 12 years afterward with economic sanctions
weighing against that country and many of its population dying-after
millions of them were killed already because of the Persian Gulf War
in 1991; with no means to produce and sell its oil; with many of its
man force now dead, are you trying to tell me that Iraq was stronger
in 2003 than it was in 1991?  Is that what you're trying to tell me?
Are you trying to tell me that Saddam did not know it was weaker?  Now
George Bush Jr. is ensuing a war against Saddam and Saddam must have
some idea that his life was at stake.  Saddam knew George Bush Sr.
failed to get rid of him.  He knew the opinions that were flying
around against George Bush Sr. for failing to finish the job.  Was
Saddam calm, calculating and guarded enough to know he has to reserve
his weapons of mass-destruction because he doesn't think it will
affect the American troops?  ARE WE DRUNK PEOPLE??

So then as they advanced on to victory again easily, the American
military begins the ridiculous task of looking for weapons of
mass-destruction in order to bolster up what was always a lie!  After
not finding any to this day, another lie spread that went like this:
"Well since President Bush didn't find any weapons of
mass-destruction, at least we know he is honest and didn't plant any
fake evidence there!"  In other words President Bush was just as
honest in starting a war at the expense of lives, money and more
hostility among the Arabs without solid incontrovertible proof as he
was honest in protecting the American citizens from 911, right?  Lives
were sacrificed!  Honest, but wrong again??  Where is the
incontrovertible proof?  The other branches of government were not
supposed to let any President start a war without INCONTROVERTIBLE
proof of his allegations!  Look at where we stand now?  If you were
able to see the end from the beginning, you would start a war
involving the terrible destruction of life knowing the result would be
American paid military men looking for weapons of mass destruction
with all futility and the evidence needed is covered up by more
babbling and more lies??

All that is left now is another key attribute that existed with the
Inquisitions of history.  People have to lie to us and substitute the
incontrovertible proof with their words.  They constantly do all they
can to tell us the incontrovertible proof has been found when that is
not the case.  Next, other leaders of our government must make sure
they don't move to hold the President accountable for starting the
war.  Documents they claim are now being found proving that Saddam had
weapons of mass-destruction.  Well we know that to be true about the
time of the Persian Gulf War in 1991.  After Saddam's stunning defeat,
the UN gave resolutions against him demanding that he destroy them.
Now reports are being given with the intent to confuse us.  Lives are
being lost under the premise that incontrovertible proof for the
necessity of the war WAS NOT FOUND!  We believe that the sacrifice of
life requires more than just a premonition of things regardless of the
typical globalist government paranoia.

After the great error was beginning to be understood and President
Bush and Prime Minister Tony Blair of Britain were beginning to be
grilled for what they have caused, they began to tell us what would
have happened had they not had the war and deposed Saddam.  They began
to say that there was a possibility that Saddam didn't have those
weapons of mass destruction, but if they were wrong for starting the
war, history would forgive them because of the tyrant Saddam was.
Here now another mind-manipulating concept was being pushed upon the
American people and world.  It goes like this:

Remember how intent, just like the strange posters on the newsgroups,
the government is to eliminate what they call "paranoia" from the
American citizens.  Now I'm sure you have read the following report
over how the feds arrested two kindergarteners from school because
they were playing cops and robbers with paper guns.  The feds charged
them with making terrorist threats:

Kindergarteners arrested for “making terrorist threats with paper
guns.”
http://www.courttv.com/archive/news/2001/0321/papergun_ap.html

Again, after this total embarrassment and debacle, they have to babble
around their nonsense in anti-paranoia and justify their actions.
Here therefore is what Police Chief Palamara asked to justify their
arresting the kindergarteners for apparently doing something none of
us ever did in our childhoods:

"It may appear to some as though we went a little overboard because it
was a paper gun, but what would those same people say if this incident
was ignored and in a day, week or month the same student came to
school with a firearm?" Police Chief Palamara asked.

Our reply would be that before that happens, someone has to be sedated
for paranoia and recognized for being paranoid and needing mental
help!  

As you can see, THEY ARE TELLING US THAT ACTION MUST BE TAKEN ON
ANYTHING THAT EVEN REMOTELY 

COULD

HAPPEN!

Compare that with someone who sees and notices that the government is
becoming more and more intrusive, more and more attacking every
principle of the Constitution while babbling how they love it.  More
and more talking about a New World Order not found in the
Constitution, in their campaign lies nor anywhere that has to do with
legitimate American government.  More and more noticing the
affiliation of almost all American leaders with secret societies.
More and more noticing the affiliation of American leaders with
communists.  More and more watching literature produced by national
leaders that encourages us to warm up to socialist and communist
principles.  What are we supposed to think?  Here then is where the
consistency of principles meets the line and mark:

Concerned Citizen:
"WE BELIEVE THERE IS A CONSPIRACY"

The Feds and the strange posters all over the internet:
"HAA HAA HAA HAA HAAAAAA  HAA HAA HAA HAA!!  Paranoid conspiracy
theorist!"

Concerned Citizen:
"But I thought you told us we must understand people will disagree!
We disagree that we are paranoid!
WHO IS TO SAY THAT LATER ON AMERICAN FREEDOM AND ALL LIBERTY IS NOT
DESTROYED IN JUST THE NEAR FUTURE THROUGH THE TREACHERY OF PEOPLE
WITHIN IT?"

Notice that the question and concern was the same given to us by
Policeman Palamara, only this issue is far more cataclysmic and
crucial than kindergarteners playing with paper guns nor any
possibility that may come from it.  THIS IS ALSO MUCH WORSE THAN
ANYTHING SADDAM CAN DO EITHER IF HE WAS ALLOWED TO REMAIN IN POWER!
What would be the typical response by all those who are mimicking the
characteristics of the Inquisitors of history?  The response by the
Feds, from our experience would be this:

"HAA HAA HAA HAA HAAAAAA  HAA HAA HAA HAA!!  Paranoid conspiracy
theorist!"

Now the subject of Iraq having weapons of mass-destruction is put
under the lie that there was a possibility he might have.  Therefore
the war is justified and we may behave as if he did have such weapons!
Under that principle, immense powers have been given to President Bush
and the Feds without us even knowing!  We can see they don't follow
the principle themselves that action must be taken under any
possibility of anything wrong when they are ready.  They are only
using it to fool us with.

"WE NEED THIS WAR" was the slogan chanted.  The Anti-war movement
opposed that.  We ourselves were against the war, but there were
things done by the Anti-war crowd that served to stereo-type us.  We
heard that Anti-war protesters even booed our troops for their kicking
Saddam out of power.  We would not dare venture to do such a thing,
but we want to present a proper representation of our thoughts on the
matter.  We first ask:  "What type or kind of country would tell its
citizens that they NEED a war."

Our conclusion is that one major factor would be a knowledge that the
nation targeted for war IS A WEAKER NATION THAN THAT COUNTRY CLAIMING
TO NEED ONE.  President Bush was pushing with all gusto for the war
with Iraq while many Anti-war protesters, even with a knowledge that
Iraq could not possibly be as strong as it was in 1991, feared for the
troops.  Let me tell you, the federal government even has
reconnaissance satellite surveillance of other countries from miles in
the sky.  At times she bragged that she could even see a basketball on
the ground from a satellite in orbit in outer space.  Such was
surveillance that can even track movements of weapons of mass
destruction from above.  Saddam hid those weapons just before the war
while American soldiers were arriving on his land you say?  They
stopped monitoring or looking from the sky when American troops headed
over to Iraq?  The American government had awesome advantages over
Iraq!  Trust us: the federal government already knew that Iraq would
be rather a pushover.  The story would be different with a nation that
is stronger than us.  That is why we could not put our attention on
North Korea giving their 21 gun salute and sticking their finger at us
under our concerns for bad dictatorial nations possessing weapons of
mass-destruction.  In this statement we are not saying that North
Korea is stronger than us, but there is China right beside her
threatening action against any power that would seek her harm.  Again,
we are not saying that China is more powerful than us, but with
nuclear weapons capable of destroying the globe, it doesn't matter how
much marginally weaker China may be if she even is!

We are different Anti-war protesters.  First we would declare that we
sit down AND GET INCONTROVERTIBLE PROOF for justification of any war.
We then sit down and count the costs.  We don't look at whether or not
the country to be targeted is weaker or stronger if we purely have
moral motives for what we claim we must do.  It is like the Boston Tea
Party.  Taxation without representation.  The government MUST sit down
and not rest till INCONTROVERTIBLE proof of the need for war is given.
The Constitution prevents the formation of any police state, dictator
or paranoid tyrant.  PROOF INCONTROVERTIBLE must be given!  Anti-war
Protesters were denied receiving a clear conscience for war after they
heard the justifications for it.  One thing they do know is the
Constitutional principle that the sovereignty of all nations must be
respected and that the US is not to interfere with other countries.

Read the following reports:

<http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-1.htm>
<http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-2.htm>

They detail clues showing that the federal government had something to
do with the 911 attacks and knew that it was coming AT THE VERY LEAST!

Here is a statement from the FBI to congress about their reasons for
creating the Carnivore snooping device WELL BEFORE THE 911 INCIDENT:
July 24, 2000
<http://www.fbi.gov/congress/congress00/kerr072400.htm>

It starts out like this:

"Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman, and Members of the Subcommittee. I am
grateful for this opportunity to discuss the Internet and data
interception capabilities developed by the Federal Bureau of
Investigation. The use of computers and the Internet is growing
rapidly, paralleled by exploitation of computers, networks, and data
bases to commit crimes and to harm the safety, security, and privacy
of others. Criminals use computers to send child pornography to each
other using anonymous, encrypted communications; hackers break into
financial service companies systems and steal customer home addresses
and credit card information; criminals use the Internet's inexpensive
and easy communications to commit large scale fraud on victims all
over the world; and terrorist bombers plan their strikes using the
Internet. Investigating and deterring such wrongdoing requires tools
and techniques designed to work with new evolving computers and
network technologies. The systems employed must strike a reasonable
balance between competing interests--the privacy interests of
telecommunications users, the business interest of service providers,
and the duty of government investigators to protect public safety. I
would like to discuss how the FBI is meeting this challenge in the
area of electronic mail interception."
[Our comment:  In other words, the increasing paranoia of the Federal
government is likely to cause them to miss a golden opportunity to
stop the most stupendous terrorist attack against America more than a
year in the future!  A system was developed, but is restricted in its
use.  The government didn't like that.  What we are showing here is
the constant attempt to bridge over Constitutional norms under the
paranoia of the sky falling.  With all this preparation and
hyper-paranoia, 911 happened right under the noses of the Feds!]

Typically the FBI promises that the Carnivore system has had only
legal and limited use.  We must however remind you that constituents
of that organization have the same talents and capabilities as the
scoundrel posters on the internet.  With that we can only admonish you
for your sake, that their promises that the system is in restricted
use is your proof that it is not!

In the following URL, we are shown not only the FBI constructing this
snooping device, but she installed it into dozens of ISPs
automatically:

http://www.stopcarnivore.org/howtostopit/lpactionalert.htm


In His Grace,



Susan

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