Re: (Free Tibet) Why Tibet??

http://www.salon.com/travel/feature/1999/08/07/tibet/


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> > > > :> > tibet has been a backward civilization stuck in the middle
ages.
> > the
> > > > :> > chinese must civilize them.
> > > > :>
> > > > :> Even if they do not want the Chinese communist version of
> > > > :> civilization?
> > > >
> > > > : that's the problem of being backward/uncivilized.
> > > >
> > > > No, that's the "problem" of wanting to establish their modernization
> for
> > > > themselves. Europeans colonized much of the world assuming their
> version
> > > > of "modernity" was the right one. It wasn't necessarily, and we feel
> the
> > >
> > > bullsheeyit.  europeans just wanted to exploit other nations for
> > resources.
> > Always assume the worst.
>
> not assumption, but historical fact.
>
> > >
> > > > after-effects of that short-sightedness all over the world. China
has
> > made
> > > > some of the same mistakes.
> > >
> > > china has been the victim of imperialistic europeans.
> > So? China has been an imperialist aggressor. Get over it.
> > >
> > > > I'd be all about the idea of a benevolent government assisting the
> > people
> > > > of Tibet if things had stayed at the level of involvement they were
> when
> > > > the occupation first started. Now, Tibet is yet another place to
dump
> > > > China's overblown Han population and do a little strip-mining while
> > > > they're at it.  *I* wouldn't want China in Tibet if I were Tibetan
> with
> > > > they way they treat the country either, whatever their oiginal
> > intentions
> > > > were.
> > >
> > > give me a break.  what's wrong about some hans living in tibet?  it
gets
> > the
> > > businesses going.  why you never accuse the tibetans of being racists
> and
> > > intolerant?
>
> > Because they're the ones getting fukked in the ass by you commies.
>
> all chinese were "getting fucked."
>
> > >
> > > > :> It is appalling that the Chinese play the race card at every
turn,
> > but
> > > > :> it is simply another method of dodging the real issues. These
> parrots
> > > > :> of Beijing obviously have no minds.
> > > >
> > > > : tibet is part of china, although an autonomous zone.
> > > >
> > > > Because the Communists went in, occupied it, and said it was.
> > >
> > > so?  the chinese already went in since hundreds of years ago.  it's
part
> > of
> > > china.  communists went everywhere in china, not just tibet. the
> political
> > > situation during that period of time demanded that the communists go
> > there.
> > > there was a civil war and the government needed to establish power to
> > > control the whole nation, or else china would've been in chaos.
> > >
> > > > :  tibet should advance
> > > > : along with the rest of china while preserving its distinct tibetan
> > > culture.
> > > > : of course, tibetan culture, just like every other culture in the
> > world,
> > > will
> > > > : change with progress.
> > > >
> > > > That's smokescreening for what's going on in Tibet. The Chinese are
> fine
> > > > with keeping the parts of the culture that make it a good tourist
> > > > destination, and that's about it. Lhasa looks like every other
> > industrial
> > > > city the Chinese have built recently, and they mighht as well make
> > Potala
> > > > Palace into a day-spa. Parts of Tibet that offer no natural
resources
> or
> > > > potential places to dump more Chinese are ignored. China is doing no
> > > > service to the vast majority of Tibet whatsoever.
> > >
> > > you seem to make tibet look like Sangli-la.  you think tibet is so
> special
> > > special?  tibet will get similar treatment that most other parts of
> china
> > > get.
> > >
> > > > : if china left tibet to rot, it wouldn't do good to both tibet and
> > china.
> > > > : even within a neighborhood, there would be conflicts between the
> > > > : poor/uneducated and the "rich"/educated.  also, a backward tibet
> under
> > > the
> > > > : influence of china's enemies would prove to be a major threat to
> > china.
> > > >
> > > > It's proving a threat now, mostly because a good deal of Tibet is
> tired
> > of
> > > > being exploited. The same thing's happening in Xinjiang. China only
> > cares
> > > > about keeping the natural resources in those regions, and has shown
> very
> > > > little interest in the religion and culture of its peoples. Part of
> it's
> > > > racism, part of it's the anti-religious stance of the government.
> Sure,
> > > > that's softened since Mao, but not nearly enough to suggest true
> > > > tolerance. China will continue not to care about that callousness
> until
> > > > something blows up and kills lots of Hans.
> > >
> > > splittists and terrorists will always exist.  developements in tibet
and
> > > xinjiang are the result of resources taken from other parts of china,
> > > including the use of han chinese.  what has tibet and xinjian people
> > > contributed to china other than the so-called resources?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I can't say what the government's original intent was, and I can't
say
> > how
> > > > much they heeded the calls of Tibetans for modernization and an end
to
> > the
> > > > theocracy when Tibet was first occupied. I can only say that just
> about
> > > > everyone realizes now that there has to be a better solution to how
to
> > > > deal with Tibet than what's up at the moment.
> > >
> > > yeah improvement is always possible and needed, just like everywhere
> else
> > in
> > > china.
> > >
> > > >
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> > > > Pilar
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