Re: (Free Tibet) Why Tibet??

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> > > In soc.culture.hongkong betelnut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > > : "Magister" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > > :> > tibet has been a backward civilization stuck in the middle ages.
> the
> > > :> > chinese must civilize them.
> > > :>
> > > :> Even if they do not want the Chinese communist version of
> > > :> civilization?
> > >
> > > : that's the problem of being backward/uncivilized.
> > >
> > > No, that's the "problem" of wanting to establish their modernization
for
> > > themselves. Europeans colonized much of the world assuming their
version
> > > of "modernity" was the right one. It wasn't necessarily, and we feel
the
> >
> > bullsheeyit.  europeans just wanted to exploit other nations for
> resources.
> Always assume the worst.

not assumption, but historical fact.

> >
> > > after-effects of that short-sightedness all over the world. China has
> made
> > > some of the same mistakes.
> >
> > china has been the victim of imperialistic europeans.
> So? China has been an imperialist aggressor. Get over it.
> >
> > > I'd be all about the idea of a benevolent government assisting the
> people
> > > of Tibet if things had stayed at the level of involvement they were
when
> > > the occupation first started. Now, Tibet is yet another place to dump
> > > China's overblown Han population and do a little strip-mining while
> > > they're at it.  *I* wouldn't want China in Tibet if I were Tibetan
with
> > > they way they treat the country either, whatever their oiginal
> intentions
> > > were.
> >
> > give me a break.  what's wrong about some hans living in tibet?  it gets
> the
> > businesses going.  why you never accuse the tibetans of being racists
and
> > intolerant?

> Because they're the ones getting fukked in the ass by you commies.

all chinese were "getting fucked."

> >
> > > :> It is appalling that the Chinese play the race card at every turn,
> but
> > > :> it is simply another method of dodging the real issues. These
parrots
> > > :> of Beijing obviously have no minds.
> > >
> > > : tibet is part of china, although an autonomous zone.
> > >
> > > Because the Communists went in, occupied it, and said it was.
> >
> > so?  the chinese already went in since hundreds of years ago.  it's part
> of
> > china.  communists went everywhere in china, not just tibet. the
political
> > situation during that period of time demanded that the communists go
> there.
> > there was a civil war and the government needed to establish power to
> > control the whole nation, or else china would've been in chaos.
> >
> > > :  tibet should advance
> > > : along with the rest of china while preserving its distinct tibetan
> > culture.
> > > : of course, tibetan culture, just like every other culture in the
> world,
> > will
> > > : change with progress.
> > >
> > > That's smokescreening for what's going on in Tibet. The Chinese are
fine
> > > with keeping the parts of the culture that make it a good tourist
> > > destination, and that's about it. Lhasa looks like every other
> industrial
> > > city the Chinese have built recently, and they mighht as well make
> Potala
> > > Palace into a day-spa. Parts of Tibet that offer no natural resources
or
> > > potential places to dump more Chinese are ignored. China is doing no
> > > service to the vast majority of Tibet whatsoever.
> >
> > you seem to make tibet look like Sangli-la.  you think tibet is so
special
> > special?  tibet will get similar treatment that most other parts of
china
> > get.
> >
> > > : if china left tibet to rot, it wouldn't do good to both tibet and
> china.
> > > : even within a neighborhood, there would be conflicts between the
> > > : poor/uneducated and the "rich"/educated.  also, a backward tibet
under
> > the
> > > : influence of china's enemies would prove to be a major threat to
> china.
> > >
> > > It's proving a threat now, mostly because a good deal of Tibet is
tired
> of
> > > being exploited. The same thing's happening in Xinjiang. China only
> cares
> > > about keeping the natural resources in those regions, and has shown
very
> > > little interest in the religion and culture of its peoples. Part of
it's
> > > racism, part of it's the anti-religious stance of the government.
Sure,
> > > that's softened since Mao, but not nearly enough to suggest true
> > > tolerance. China will continue not to care about that callousness
until
> > > something blows up and kills lots of Hans.
> >
> > splittists and terrorists will always exist.  developements in tibet and
> > xinjiang are the result of resources taken from other parts of china,
> > including the use of han chinese.  what has tibet and xinjian people
> > contributed to china other than the so-called resources?
> >
> > >
> > > I can't say what the government's original intent was, and I can't say
> how
> > > much they heeded the calls of Tibetans for modernization and an end to
> the
> > > theocracy when Tibet was first occupied. I can only say that just
about
> > > everyone realizes now that there has to be a better solution to how to
> > > deal with Tibet than what's up at the moment.
> >
> > yeah improvement is always possible and needed, just like everywhere
else
> in
> > china.
> >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Pilar
> > >
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> >
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