Re: (Free Tibet) Why Tibet??

"betelnut" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> "Pilar Quezzaire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > In soc.culture.hongkong betelnut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > : "Magister" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > :> > tibet has been a backward civilization stuck in the middle ages.
the
> > :> > chinese must civilize them.
> > :>
> > :> Even if they do not want the Chinese communist version of
> > :> civilization?
> >
> > : that's the problem of being backward/uncivilized.
> >
> > No, that's the "problem" of wanting to establish their modernization for
> > themselves. Europeans colonized much of the world assuming their version
> > of "modernity" was the right one. It wasn't necessarily, and we feel the
>
> bullsheeyit.  europeans just wanted to exploit other nations for
resources.
Always assume the worst.
>
> > after-effects of that short-sightedness all over the world. China has
made
> > some of the same mistakes.
>
> china has been the victim of imperialistic europeans.
So? China has been an imperialist aggressor. Get over it.
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> > I'd be all about the idea of a benevolent government assisting the
people
> > of Tibet if things had stayed at the level of involvement they were when
> > the occupation first started. Now, Tibet is yet another place to dump
> > China's overblown Han population and do a little strip-mining while
> > they're at it.  *I* wouldn't want China in Tibet if I were Tibetan with
> > they way they treat the country either, whatever their oiginal
intentions
> > were.
>
> give me a break.  what's wrong about some hans living in tibet?  it gets
the
> businesses going.  why you never accuse the tibetans of being racists and
> intolerant?
Because they're the ones getting fukked in the ass by you commies.
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> > :> It is appalling that the Chinese play the race card at every turn,
but
> > :> it is simply another method of dodging the real issues. These parrots
> > :> of Beijing obviously have no minds.
> >
> > : tibet is part of china, although an autonomous zone.
> >
> > Because the Communists went in, occupied it, and said it was.
>
> so?  the chinese already went in since hundreds of years ago.  it's part
of
> china.  communists went everywhere in china, not just tibet. the political
> situation during that period of time demanded that the communists go
there.
> there was a civil war and the government needed to establish power to
> control the whole nation, or else china would've been in chaos.
>
> > :  tibet should advance
> > : along with the rest of china while preserving its distinct tibetan
> culture.
> > : of course, tibetan culture, just like every other culture in the
world,
> will
> > : change with progress.
> >
> > That's smokescreening for what's going on in Tibet. The Chinese are fine
> > with keeping the parts of the culture that make it a good tourist
> > destination, and that's about it. Lhasa looks like every other
industrial
> > city the Chinese have built recently, and they mighht as well make
Potala
> > Palace into a day-spa. Parts of Tibet that offer no natural resources or
> > potential places to dump more Chinese are ignored. China is doing no
> > service to the vast majority of Tibet whatsoever.
>
> you seem to make tibet look like Sangli-la.  you think tibet is so special
> special?  tibet will get similar treatment that most other parts of china
> get.
>
> > : if china left tibet to rot, it wouldn't do good to both tibet and
china.
> > : even within a neighborhood, there would be conflicts between the
> > : poor/uneducated and the "rich"/educated.  also, a backward tibet under
> the
> > : influence of china's enemies would prove to be a major threat to
china.
> >
> > It's proving a threat now, mostly because a good deal of Tibet is tired
of
> > being exploited. The same thing's happening in Xinjiang. China only
cares
> > about keeping the natural resources in those regions, and has shown very
> > little interest in the religion and culture of its peoples. Part of it's
> > racism, part of it's the anti-religious stance of the government. Sure,
> > that's softened since Mao, but not nearly enough to suggest true
> > tolerance. China will continue not to care about that callousness until
> > something blows up and kills lots of Hans.
>
> splittists and terrorists will always exist.  developements in tibet and
> xinjiang are the result of resources taken from other parts of china,
> including the use of han chinese.  what has tibet and xinjian people
> contributed to china other than the so-called resources?
>
> >
> > I can't say what the government's original intent was, and I can't say
how
> > much they heeded the calls of Tibetans for modernization and an end to
the
> > theocracy when Tibet was first occupied. I can only say that just about
> > everyone realizes now that there has to be a better solution to how to
> > deal with Tibet than what's up at the moment.
>
> yeah improvement is always possible and needed, just like everywhere else
in
> china.
>
> >
> > --
> > Pilar
> >
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