Re: Brian Jackson and Thomas Wheaton: YOU ARE DISGUSTING

In article <AZCx/[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Brian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (LT Lee) wrote:
>
>>It is unfair to accuse someone of wrong doing in secret, i.e, it
>>cannot and can never be subtantiated, after he was dead. It is both
>>sad and disgusting that you have to resort to this to bash China and
>>the Chinese people.
>
>As usual, anything said which may criticise Mao or communist
>dictators, is automatically against China and Chinese people. That
>pathetic logical fallacy has never held water, but it's been the most
>overused argument in this newsgroup for years. I also used to write
>critically of the Suharto dictatorship before he was forced from
>office, certainly not to bash Indonesia (though a few Suharto-fascists
>did claim so, like you), but because I like that country and respect
>her people, and wished for them the same freedom that many of us (Mr.
>Lee included) take for granted in democratic countries.
>
>And yes, history can be substantiated after the protagonists are dead,
>in fact that's usually when the real truth comes out. Dr. Li and the
>Chairman's many young flowers would probably not have felt free enough
>to tell their experiences while he was alive. Even just in the last
>few weeks, the expedition to retrace the steps of the Long March
>(which found that it was really thousands of miles shorter than Mao
>had claimed), had sought out and found one of Mao's illegitimate
>children in some little village along the way.

There is no question that Mao was a most evil person, the most
evil person in all history in my opinion.  However, I don't think
it is worthwhile to dwell upon his sexual activities.  It was his
political activities that are objectionable, indeed unconsionable.


Dr. Li did mention something else Mao said in that context that is 
gross beyond words.  I have my doubts about the veracity.

>
>>This also demonstrate you are not working to help the Tibetans or
>>Chinese. But with to harm.
>
>This demonstrates your lack of real grounding in solid logic.
>Debunking the deification of Mao is good for China, even the
>communists themselves recognised that since long ago. Worshipping Mao
>has never been good for Chinese people, so criticising such worship
>(as Hard Binger's) is surely not bashing them. But just like there
>must be *some* old Soviet communists who would still bristle at
>criticism of the mass-murderer Stalin, and maybe one or two old Nazis
>who would take criticism of Hitler as bashing German people, there are
>also the diehards who equate the disastrous mass-murdering Mao as
>equivalent to "Chinese people".
>
>But please, don't let me sidetrack you in this thread. I hope you will
>give your full attention to your prodigious output on separation of
>church and state, in the China forum. Loved your stuff about how China
>is doing much better in this area than the US, and how fortunate that
>your correspondents don't know how the officially atheist CCP picks
>and chooses reincarnated Tibetan lamas. But keep at it, it's most
>entertaining for me.

It is their political duty.  It is a political act in their mind
rather than a religious act.  They are merely acting as if they
are the political successors of the emperors, who were nominally
Buddhist but were hardly devout.

Wing

>
>Brian
>-- 
>"Every Communist must grasp the truth, "Political power grows out of the
> barrel of a gun." Our principle is that the Party commands the gun, and
> the gun must never be allowed to command the Party. Yet, having guns, we
> can create Party organizations, as witness the powerful Party
> organizations which the Eighth Route Army has created in northern China.
> We can also create cadres, create schools, create culture, create mass
> movements. Everything in Yenan has been created by having guns.
> All things grow out of the barrel of a gun." - Mao Tse Tung
>