Re: Brian Jackson and Thomas Wheaton: YOU ARE DISGUSTING

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (LT Lee) wrote:

>It is unfair to accuse someone of wrong doing in secret, i.e, it
>cannot and can never be subtantiated, after he was dead. It is both
>sad and disgusting that you have to resort to this to bash China and
>the Chinese people.

As usual, anything said which may criticise Mao or communist
dictators, is automatically against China and Chinese people. That
pathetic logical fallacy has never held water, but it's been the most
overused argument in this newsgroup for years. I also used to write
critically of the Suharto dictatorship before he was forced from
office, certainly not to bash Indonesia (though a few Suharto-fascists
did claim so, like you), but because I like that country and respect
her people, and wished for them the same freedom that many of us (Mr.
Lee included) take for granted in democratic countries.

And yes, history can be substantiated after the protagonists are dead,
in fact that's usually when the real truth comes out. Dr. Li and the
Chairman's many young flowers would probably not have felt free enough
to tell their experiences while he was alive. Even just in the last
few weeks, the expedition to retrace the steps of the Long March
(which found that it was really thousands of miles shorter than Mao
had claimed), had sought out and found one of Mao's illegitimate
children in some little village along the way.

>This also demonstrate you are not working to help the Tibetans or
>Chinese. But with to harm.

This demonstrates your lack of real grounding in solid logic.
Debunking the deification of Mao is good for China, even the
communists themselves recognised that since long ago. Worshipping Mao
has never been good for Chinese people, so criticising such worship
(as Hard Binger's) is surely not bashing them. But just like there
must be *some* old Soviet communists who would still bristle at
criticism of the mass-murderer Stalin, and maybe one or two old Nazis
who would take criticism of Hitler as bashing German people, there are
also the diehards who equate the disastrous mass-murdering Mao as
equivalent to "Chinese people".

But please, don't let me sidetrack you in this thread. I hope you will
give your full attention to your prodigious output on separation of
church and state, in the China forum. Loved your stuff about how China
is doing much better in this area than the US, and how fortunate that
your correspondents don't know how the officially atheist CCP picks
and chooses reincarnated Tibetan lamas. But keep at it, it's most
entertaining for me.

Brian
-- 
"Every Communist must grasp the truth, "Political power grows out of the
 barrel of a gun." Our principle is that the Party commands the gun, and
 the gun must never be allowed to command the Party. Yet, having guns, we
 can create Party organizations, as witness the powerful Party
 organizations which the Eighth Route Army has created in northern China.
 We can also create cadres, create schools, create culture, create mass
 movements. Everything in Yenan has been created by having guns.
 All things grow out of the barrel of a gun." - Mao Tse Tung