Re: Tibetans fear $3.2 billion railroad is being built at their expense

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> > > > What has the Qinghai railways got to do with the Tibetans? "Greater
> > > > Tibet" again?
> > >  It's being used to help screw them over.
> >
> >
> > HOW? as Thomas Wheat pointed out they want to work at it
> If they were permitted. But it's another method of raping the natural
> resources.

Once again, even if there is rape of natural resources[which exist in
many other parts of China], what has it got to do with the Tibetans?
"Greater Tibet"?

> >
> > > > Han. For example, people in Tang China learned to play the traditional
> > > > ball games of the Tubo people; and Han women learned to do their hair
> > > > and makeup in the manner of the Tubo women. These two cultures
> > > > naturally enriched each other.
> > > Oh that's great. The Han take everything else and are "enriched" by a
>  ball
> > > game and makeup. Are you on opium?
> >
> >
> > I said "for example", read what I quoted from Charles Bell
>  Bad example.


how bad? at least these are integral parts of ancient Han/Tang
customs. Nevertheless, Han culture is the "major source of
inspiration" of that of the Tibetans['Oxford Encyclopedia of the
Arts']. As Charles Bell, 13th DL top advisor, point out:

"We may in fact say that the present civilization of Tibet is taken
mainly from China and only to a lesser degree from India. The general
appliances of civilization...have come from China"
--'Tibet Past and Present'




> >
> > > The bottom line is that the Chinese invaded Tibet by force in modern
>  times
> > > and murdered millions.
> >
> >
> > As I've told you before since the 90s the exiled Tibetan
> > leaders,including DL and Ngwawang Jigme, have admitted that this
> > number is fabricated
> I've never seen proof. 


In my previous post I've shown you where I quoted from DL and Jigme's
words. Moreover, neither do I see proof on Dharamsala **outdated**
claim of "Millions of Tibetans Got Killed".

"[Dharamsala's claims are] often going beyond what the actual
situation warranted...for example, with charge of Chinese genocide"
-M. C. Goldstein, 'The Snow Lion and the Dragon'


>But I should do what communist supporters do and
> accuse anyone who disagrees as being paid off by adversaries. Even so, it
> does not justify what has been done! Even communists agree that the numbers
> are very high.


How high? show us the communists' number with _proof_. People got
killed during the CCP takeover of many other parts of China, NOT ONLY
TIBET.




> >
> >
> > > You idiots try to justify it, but nothing in hell can
> > > do that.
> >
> >
> > After the Qing/Chinese Empire collapsed the Tibetans signed the 1914
> > Simla document which reaffirmed Tibet as "part of Chinese
> > Territory"[Point 1, 'Schedule' of 1914], why Chinese/PLA army cannot
> > march into *Chinese* Territory afterward(1951)? Is there any pre-War
> > document which claims Iraq as part of the United States? Why the
> > Americans invaded Iraq by force?
> >
> > Get my point now?
> Hell no. The US war with Iraq has nothing in common with China invading
> Tibet. Other countries are involved too. Did China perceive Tibet as a
> threat so they had to invade? Nope. It was to take over the resources and
> the strategic position.


[1]You're sidestepping the issue. Since the 1910s the Tibetans has
reaffirmed their homeland as "part of Chinese territory", why Chinese
army cannot march into this Chinese territory? You tell me.

"Even today international legal experts sympathetic to the Dalai
Lama's cause find it difficult to argue that Tibet ever technically
established its independence of the Chinese Empire, imperial, or
republican"[H. Bradsher, 'Tibet Struggles to Survive']


[2]As a wellknown fact the CPA of the current Iraqi region is under
the United States representative Paul Bremer, but historically not a
single pre-war document claims Iraq/Mesopotamia as "part of America".