Re: Tibetans fear $3.2 billion railroad is being built at their expense

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas J Wheat) wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Guardiangel) wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> > Read this article carefully or you will be brainwashed
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> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas J Wheat) wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> > > Tibetans fear $3.2 billion railroad is being built at their expense 
> > > Los Angeles Times 
> > > http://www.charleston.net/stories/110703/wor_07tibet.shtml
> > > LHASA, TIBET--Beijing's plan to pacify this restive Himalayan province
> > > involves a $3.2 billion railroad that will connect the rest of China
> > > to the frozen Tibetan plateau known as the roof of the world.
> > > 
> > > The railroad, billed as the world's highest and due to be completed in
> > > 2007, represents the linchpin of China's ambitious "Go West" campaign
> > > to develop and repopulate its impoverished hinterland.
> > > 
> > > But Tibetans opposed to Chinese control say the railroad's
> > > construction, which began last year, has so far confirmed their worst
> > > fears: that the train, although it may usher in rapid progress, will
> > > transform Tibet's desolate nomadic culture into a land of
> > > inequalities.
> > > 
> > > "We went to inquire about railroad jobs but they said it's all been
> > > taken," said Tenzin, a 22-year-old Tibetan farmer from Gansu
> > 
> > 
> > "Tibetans opposed to Chinese control"? And now the "reporter" is
> > quoting some word from a person who is from Gansu Province instead of
> > Tibet! Most of the Singaporeans[78%]are ethnic Chinese, but people
> > won't call them "Chinese"
> > 
> > Obviously, it is misleading..
> This still does not obscure the fact that the majority of jobs some
> 85% have gone to Han chinese. Why not hire more tibetans to build the
> railroad. Supposedly its being built for their benefit.


not a single evidence existed when the ethnic background(i.e. being
Tibetans) is the reason of being rejected to the jobs



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> > 
> > >, formerly
> > > part of Tibet, but now a Chinese province.
> > 
> > 
> > China's control over Kansu predated the existence the first
> > proto-Tibetan state. How come Kansu was "formerly part of Tibet"?
> > 
> > "historical differences and current political realities make the
> > creation of a Greater Tibet extremely improbable, at least initially"
> > --Goldstein, Tibetologist from CWRU, "The Snow Lion and the Dragon"
> > 
> > 
> > >"We've been here four
> > > months and we can't find anything. We're willing to be waiters,
> > > security guards, tour guides, anything. But no one wants us."
> > > 
> > > The Chinese seem to have an extra edge. That's because education and
> > > the ability to speak Mandarin Chinese are the basic criteria for most
> > > jobs.
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> > "Quality Control", no big deal!
> Sounds like han chauvenisim and exclusivisim. AQdmit it you think
> Chinese are better than Tibetans.


read the original msg you post, the Gansu boy is a FARMER, and we/they
need well-trained/skilled people. Heartfully, I myself won't hire a
FARMER for my house's interior design...

Needless to say the **railway system**


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> > > Tibetans have fought for preservation of their culture since China
> > > annexed their homeland in 1951.
> > 
> > 
> > Since the year of 1914 the Tibetans has clearly reaffirmed their
> > homeland as part of China.
> No china never signed the Simla treaty. They were only witnesses to
> it.


The Tibetans signed it. I said "THE TIBETANS"



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> > > International attention has been drawn
> > > to their independence movement by the Dalai Lama, the exiled spiritual
> > > leader driven from here in 1959 when the Chinese crushed a failed
> > > uprising.
> > > 
> > > The Dalai Lama has repeatedly spoken out against what he calls a
> > > cultural genocide by Chinese occupiers in Tibet. Beijing considers the
> > > Nobel laureate a separatist bent on breaking up the nation. Chinese
> > > authorities have banned his portrait here.
> > > 
> > > But many Tibetans secretly display his image in their homes and pray
> > > to him.
> > > 
> > > Beijing has tried to squelch the independence movement by pumping in
> > > cash. It poured as much as $1.6 billion into the Tibetan economy last
> > > year alone, which officials say represented the largest investment in
> > > any province.
> > > 
> > > "Tibet's stability is China's stability. Tibet's development is
> > > China's development," said Xiangba Pingcuo, Tibet's governor.
> > > 
> > > Beijing says the railroad is the economic salvation Tibet needs.
> > > 
> > > "Tibet is the only province without a rail link. The people of Tibet
> > > want development. The railroad is the hope of everybody here," said
> > > Tajie, the deputy mayor of Lhasa.
> > > 
> > > The Chinese who live here feel they would be the main beneficiaries.
> > > 
> > > "They're probably building the railroad for us," said Chen Yajun, 32,
> > > a taxi driver from central China's Sichuan province. "It'll be easier
> > > and cheaper to go home."
> > > 
> > > Some of the train's first passengers will probably be its Chinese
> > > construction workers. Of the 38,000 hired for the job, only 6,000 are
> > > Tibetans. The rest were trucked in from inland provinces. Semi-skilled
> > > employees make as much as 11 times more money than manual laborers.
> > > 
> > > None of the 2,700 workers who operate heavy equipment or hold
> > > supervisory jobs is Tibetan, according to Huang Difu, an official in
> > > charge of the project.
> > > 
> > > Among the biggest losers of this lopsided gold rush are Tibetans
> > > hoping for a share of the riches transforming their city.
> > > 
> > > "I feel sad for Tibet," said Jonu, a 19-year-old Tibetan who came to
> > > pray at the Johkang temple. "So many Chinese are coming."
> > > 
> > > Lhasa already has the look and feel of a Chinese city, with
> > > Chinese-style buildings 
> > 
> > 
> > Han/Chinese-style building has appeared in Tibet for hundreds of year.
> > For example, the golden roof of the wellknown Potala Palace was
> > designed by the artists sent by the Chinese emperors. Generally,
> > Tibetan customs/culture/arts is historically and heavily influenced by
> > that of the Han Chinese[Norwich, 'Oxford Illustrated Encyclopedia of
> > the Arts',1990]
> You are wrong you are suggesting that there is no Tibetan style only a
> homogenous Han Chinese style.

who said they should have no Tibetan-style building? If you're
speechless please dont put your non-sense words into my mouth.  Han
Culture and Tibetan culture are historically affected by each
other,[e.g. Calendar: Twelve animals...etc]


> You are wrong. The modern architecture
> going up in Lhasa is neither classical chinese or Tibetan
> architecture, rather postmodern trash.


As you said it is "postmodern". Tibet seems to be **westernized**
instead of "Sinicized". Sinicization has appeared for hundreds of year


> > 
> > > and Chinese billboards proliferating across
> > > town. More than half the 200,000 residents here are believed to be
> > > Chinese. Even the main boulevard in front of the Dalai Lama's holy
> > > Potala Palace is named Beijing Road.
> > 
> > 
> > Beijing control over Tibet[1288-present] predated the existence of the
> > first Dalai Lama, Dge-'dun grub, [1391-1474]
> Wrong it was the mongols who had control at that time not the Chinese.
> When are the chinese going to learn that the Yuan dynasty was a mongol
> foreign control over china.


ignorant. Similar to the Qing rulers, Kubilai Khan claimed himself as
the Emperor of China, he adopted the dynastic name of Yuan (as well as
the Han/Chinese traditional government system) claiming himself the
legitimate ruler following the previous SuiTang/Sung Dynasties.
Everybody regarded "Yuan" as one of the (greatest) 26 dynasties of
China. <Even the official title of Phagspa, Tibet's local ruler, was
"Great Yuan Imperial Tutor>

As I've said before, you can be a Chinese["People of China"] without
being a Han. There are Mongol-ruled China, Tibetan-ruled China,
Manchu-ruled China and Han-ruled China thru out the five thousand
years of Chinese history. And the term "China/Chinese/Zhongguo" means
"Central State", hardly a term exclusive for any ethnic groups

"Tibet's status has been intertwined with China since the 7th century
through marriages, wars, and treaties. Mongol conquests in the 13th
century made Tibet part of a Mongol-ruled Chinese state, and four
centuries later the ethnic Manchu Qing dynasty further incorporated
Tibet into China"
--A. Tom Grunfeld, Tibetologist from SUNY, "Reassessing Tibet Policy",
2000









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> > > Even Chinese tourists, who come here expecting to see exotic Tibetan
> > > faces and snowcapped mountains, shake their heads in disbelief when
> > > they see the new Lhasa.
> > > 
> > > "The tour guide told us about 80 percent of the people living here now
> > > are Chinese and most of them are from Sichuan," said Liu Fuyou, 50, a
> > > tourist from the coastal city of Tianjin wearing a straw cowboy hat.
> > > "This is no longer Lhasa city, Tibet province. This is Lhasa city,
> > > Sichuan province!"
> > > 
> > > As the Chinese thrive, raking in cash, the Tibetans seem to flounder.
> > > At the Lhasa night market, all but one of the vendors are Chinese.
> > > 
> > > "Four years ago about 30 percent of us were Tibetan. Now we are the
> > > only one left," said Ciren Zhuoma, 37, sitting in front of her small
> > > shop selling Pepsi T-shirts and Budweiser baseball caps. Her voice is
> > > barely audible above the piercing sound of live Chinese opera nearby.