population explosion in Middle East Re: God is punishing the USA for its treatment of Palestinians via Iraq

Quant wrote:
(huge snip)

>
> suuure....
> Eliminating the Palestinians, but somehow their population continues
> to grow at a rate of 3.9% per year!
> The Israelis must be the most inefficient genociders in the history.

tortrix wrote:
On the same day as Quant wrote--

>
> From: tortrix ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
>  Subject: An excellent essay on overpopulation and war.
>  Newsgroups: talk.abortion
>  Date: 2003-11-05 13:35:22 PST
>
>
> Posted by Archimedes Plutonium back in 2000...still relevant three years later..
>
> Let me put it succinctly. The face of future wars after the year 2000, like
> all major
> wars previously were to solve the human overpopulation problem.
>
> Wars arose and went through their starting point, midpoint and endpoint. They
> arose because of human overpopulation between the contestants. History books
> yakkity yak about what caused these major wars such as the war of 1770s as USA
>
> freedom; war of 1860s as USA slavery freedom; WWI as freedom from
> entangling alliances & WWII as freedom from dictators.
>
> All of that is dressing, mere cream on top and hiding of the truer dynamics.
> What
> causes all major wars is the fact that one side has a Human Overpopulation
> that needs
> to be reduced. The quickest, most efficient reduction of a human
> overpopulation is
> to send it into war, over just about any silly or minor or even lofty
> idealisms.
>
> Do not get me wrong, the abolishment of slavery in the 1860s was a glorious
> cause,
> but, I am afraid to say that it took from 1770 until 1860 for the USA to have
> reached
> a human overpopulation in the Northern states to allow for the North to not be
>
> bullyed by the South and to engage in a Resolute war. The North could afford
> to
> lose a million soldiers because of overpopulation. The abolishment of slavery
> was a
> side benefit to the main reason of the cause of the Civil War-- overpopulation
> in the
> North.
>
> The causes of WWI have confounded and confused historians ever since WWI
> happened.
> Some say it was trade and tariffs and economics that went bad. Some say it was
> entangling
> alliances.  Why not ask the crucial question. Was not Europe immensely
> overpopulated in
> the 1910s and needed an escape pressure valve to reduce overpopulation.
> Remember, to
> wage war, you need a lot of people willing to fight and die. That means
> overpopulation.
>
> I am not saying that human-overpopulation is the one and only one factor
> causing all
> major wars. What I am saying is that human overpopulation is the number one
> major
> and main factor causing wars. And all other factors are minor factors compared
> to
> human overpopulation.
>
> So, watching Frontline TV show on PBS of FUTURE WARS, it is obvious that the
> world
> as of 2000 is overpopulated with humans. We have Global Warming. We have
> dreadful
> new severe weather as a result of Global Warming. We have humans almost
> everywhere on
> the surface of Earth and causing habitat loss for many animals and plant
> species. At this rate
> of human overpopulation, all animals "in the wild" larger than a dog will be
> extinct to make
> room for human overpopulation.
>
> How will WWIII be fought. Easy to predict. Since it is human overpopulation
> causing WWIII
> it will be fought like no other major wars of the past. It will be fought like
> what happened with
> the USS Cole recently where a raft of suicide persons bombed the USS Cole.
> Instead of warships
> the major cities of the world are targets. You will see bands of suicide
> squads with some sort of
> handheld missiles who can blow up the downtown of a major city.
>
> The face of war has changed dramatically from the days of Napoleon (btw, PBS
> will broadcast
> a Napoleon movie come November 8 which I plan to watch). Dramatically from the
> USA Civil
> War and WWI and WWII and even the recent wars of Vietnam. All of which had one
> singular
> purpose of reducing the human overpopulation at those instants of time.
>
> Since we have billions of people living on Earth now, the face of future wars
> will change from the
> running into machine gun fire of WWI and WWII, and change from the guerrilla
> tactics of
> Vietnam. Future Wars will not even have armies on one side. The USA may be
> faced with a
> opponent who does not even have a conventional army. What the opponent has is
> a large group of
> suicide willing people. And so the USA may send entire armies or divisions or
> the Marines or
> Air Force, you name it, but the opponent is not "apparent".
>
> Adversaries of future wars will simply be suicide squadrons who reduce human
> overpopulation
> perhaps the quickest and fastest means possible. Take handheld missiles,
> conventional or nuclear,
> and raise cities.
>
> What will be the history book "dressing" for what caused these future wars??
> Will they say that
> it was a fight to stop and end terrorism. The end of terrorism in the world?
> Will the new freedom
> idealogies and idealisms and lofty dreamers shout out for an end to terrorism.
> And avoid looking
> at the real issues, the real problems and what is causing these acts of mass
> destruction.
>
> The real issue is Human Overpopulation.
>
> Wars, as unlikely as it seems to be, follow a pattern. A pattern that is
> science. And although wars
> are not as patterned as the balls rolling down inclined planes of Galileo that
> he could study and get
> a accurate mathematics and accurate predictions. Wars are also patterned but
> very much more complex
> than Galileo's balls rolling down planes. Wars are science, but complex
> science, and the major number
> one factor propelling wars is Human Overpopulation. The pressures and tensions
> created by a mass of
> overpopulated humans creates and starts wars. And once the war is ended, the
> human overpopulation can
> then get back to a normal life until they overpopulate once again.
>
> By the 21st century, we no longer need to have standing armies to fight wars
> and solve the problem of
> human overpopulation because humans become smarter as the centuries go by.
> Humans realize that
> their fighting in a war says more about the fact of redundant and too many
> humans and that they are
> one of the lambs to be sacrificed.
>
> The heart of war is to reduce population size, so, by the 21st century warfare
> gets closer to the heart of
> warfare in that it will have suicide squads raise and level population
> centers, ie, cities.
>
> It is funny to watch on Frontline where the army general is trying to decide
> on whether to have
> tanks on tracks or tanks on wheels. What does it matter if your opponent is
> only 5 or 10 individuals
> each holding a handheld missile and leveling 5 major cities of the USA. The
> heart of war comes
> close to home.
>
> WWIII unlike WWII will be a civilian war. To reduce human overpopulation the
> quickest means.
> Suicide squads leveling cities.
>
> How do you stop or prevent WWIII? Easy, start to make worldwide committments
> by all major nations to
> contain their human population numbers. Most every tension in the world
> community falls back to the fact that some country has a huge human
> overpopulation. Start to make laws limiting the number of kids women can have.

Thanks for the reposting of one of my old posts. I get pleasure in reading some of my 
old posts especially when they do not
sound like me, since I wrote some
in a "calm mood". The posts that I write with an edge of irritation or anger or
even rage (which I seldom ever get into a rage mood) are more easy for me to
recognize that I had written them some years ago. And the above was very mild
and relaxed mood.

But I wanted to put these two posts together for some clarification on two fronts.
The Israel Palestine Conflict is indeed very much pivoting on issues of population. 
For one, the Palestinians could not have
kept up the Conflict and would have disappeared from the region if not for their 
having to be a baby
factory. One of the reasons that the American Indians could never fight off
or fight against the whiteman that was stealing their lands was that the Indian
tribes just could not become a baby factory that the Palestinians seem to have
going for them. And their baby factory asset is perhaps the greatest single
weapon that the Palestinians have. So potent that the Israelis had to sound a
clarion alarm call throughout the world to try to get Jews to come to Israel
and of course settle into the WestBank and Gaza and Israel and to try to
be a baby factory to counter the Palestinians.

The Palestinians also are blessed with oil riches of other Islam countries that want 
to see fairness and justice in receiving a
Homeland for the Palestinians so the Palestinians have a financial backing that the 
American Indians never had. Just today on
BBC worldnews showed daily life in Gaza where it is almost impossible to make a living 
due to the Israeli occupation and
constant incursions
and stifling and halting livelihoods.

Most wars have the lands of its combatants already fixed and the *main primary* cause 
of the war is overpopulation on that land
such as USA Civil
War, WW1 and WW2, Korean War and Vietnam War. However, the Israel
Palestine war is somewhat unique in that the war is over the fact that one group of 
people is "denied its land" and the other
group is trying to steal the land.
And so the Palestinians, and also the Israelis are having a war and thus it is
prompting them to ramp up and gear up for the war and they do it by setting
up baby factories.

The analogy of the American Indian versus the whiteman is a good analogy for
Israelis behaviour towards the Palestinians. If the Israelis had it their way, they
would like to drop every Palestinian into the nearest sea or ocean and be rid of them 
so that all of that land is theirs. But
the Palestinians have several assets in
their favor that is preventing them from ending up as the American Indians in that the 
Palestinians can win the war of baby
factory and become more populace than the Israelis helped in large part because other 
Muslim countries are rich in oil and can
finance the Palestinians. The American Indians never had that asset. And then the 
Palestinians can do guerrilla type warfare
which they have been doing
and which Israeli likes to call it not war but terrorism. The American Indians could 
only make a limited fight against the
persecution of the whiteman but the Palestinians can make a sustained prolonged fight 
against the Israeli persecution.

Indians could just about only ambush the whiteman, but the Palestinians have a
wider possibilities in that they blend in with the Israelis and harder to recognize as 
to friendly or an act of violence.

So it is very hopeful that the fate of the Palestinians will not be worse or equal to 
the fate of the USA American Indians. And
not by coincidence on PBS stations was aired a series on the "West" where a few nights 
ago I saw excerts of a Mr.
Shippington (excuse the spelling) of Colorado of the massacre of the Cheyenne
tribe on Sand Creek in Colorado. So frustrating if someone had been born an Indian in 
that period of history, where the whiteman
only wanted to see you dead
and just about nothing that an Indian could do or say could convince the whiteman that 
the Indian was a fellow human being.

What is hopeful and encouraging to me is that the Palestinians have at least 2 large 
assets in their favor and because of that,
they will not, hopefully, suffer the same fate by the Israelis that the American 
Indians suffered at the hands of the
Whiteman.

P.S. one can say, and research, for I have never seen any one research the extinction 
of races by other races. One can research
whether the Spanish had extincted any SouthAmerican races, and whether the treatment 
of SouthAmerican Indians by the Spaniards
had been more cruel than the treatment of NorthAmerican Indians by the whiteman.

2nd P.S. As I said several times before, that the aiding and abetting and the lopsided 
favoritism of the USA towards Israel is
the most disturbing aspect of this Conflict. How the USA can be so ugly and stupid and 
evil in its aiding and abetting a
stealer. And this immorality of the USA, like its immorality in Vietnam
will haunt the USA.

Archimedes Plutonium, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
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