Re: US General admits Samarra lies

"George Leroy Tyrebiter Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 12:43:39 -0000, "miss calm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >This was a terrible loss of face for the Local Tribal Chiefs who had
given
> >permission for the attacks and even evacuated the area, including a
> >Kindergarten before the attack.
> >The bodies of the Fedayeen Saddam were spirited away to Tikrit and the
other
> >places they came from.
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> Isn't it odd that there is zero evidence to support this view, other
> than statements by the US military?
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> Is there even one civilian in the town to confirm the claim of lots of
> dead Fedayeen?
>
> Why not?

Because O foolish person, they whole town is a Saddam stronghold bound by
tribal loyalties.



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>  It was a miracle that only 8 locals got hit at an
> >intersection where normally hundreds of people would be milling about at
> >midday when it happened, but not surprising considering that the local
> >population had been warned to get out of the way.
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> ><pope_about_town at Xyahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> He admitted that the one resistance fighter now confirmed in custody
> >> was a sharp reduction on the 11 claimed captured by the commanding
> >> colonel in Samarra earlier.
> >>
> >> "Some of those earlier reports might have been a bit off," Kimmitt
> >> said
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Samarra clash toll still a mystery
> >> Dec. 2, 2003
> >>
> >> The US military has vowed to continue aggressive tactics after saying
> >> it killed 54 Iraqis following an ambush, but commanders admitted they
> >> had no proof to back up their claims.
> >>
> >> The only corpses at Samarra's hospital were those of civilians,
> >> including two elderly Iranian visitors and a child.
> >>
> >> A top military commander acknowledged on Monday that the toll was
> >> based entirely on estimates gleaned from troop debriefings and that US
> >> soldiers had not recovered a single body from the scene of Sunday's
> >> clashes.
> >>
> >> Brigadier General Mark Kimmitt estimated the number of dead in Samarra
> >> at 54, along with 22 wounded, saying they were all resistance
> >> fighters. He also said one person was detained.
> >>
> >> He admitted that the one resistance fighter now confirmed in custody
> >> was a sharp reduction on the 11 claimed captured by the commanding
> >> colonel in Samarra earlier.
> >>
> >> "Some of those earlier reports might have been a bit off," Kimmitt
> >> said
> >>
> >> "Are you asking me to produce (them)?" asked Colonel Fredrick
> >> Rudesheim, who heads the 3rd Combat Brigades that was involved in the
> >> clashes, when questioned by reporters about the absence of any
> >> fighters' bodies at Samarra's single hospital or on the city's
> >> streets.
> >>
> >> Challenged about what happened to the bodies of the 54 said to have
> >> been killed, Kimmitt said: "I would suspect that the enemy would have
> >> carried them away and brought them back to where their initial base
> >> was."
> >>
> >> Asked about reports from senior police and hospital officials in the
> >> town of only eight civilians killed and dozens more wounded, the US
> >> general insisted: "We have no such reports whether from medical
> >> authorities or police."
> >>
> >> But a medic at Samarra hospital said the bodies of - eight civilians
> >> including a woman and a child - were received at the hospital.
> >>
> >> Hospital director Abd Tawfiq said "more than 60 people wounded by
> >> gunfire and shrapnel from US rounds are being treated at the
> >> hospital".
> >>
> >> And ambulance driver Abd al-Munaim Muhammad said he had not ferried
> >> any fighters wounded or killed and wearing the black Fidayin outfit
> >> which US soldiers claimed their assailants wore.
> >>
> >> "If I had seen bodies, I would have picked them up. It's not like the
> >> Americans would have done it," he said.
> >>
> >> "If the death toll had reached that announced by the Americans, the
> >> atmosphere in Samarra would be quite different," he added.
> >>
> >> +
> >>
> >> "The power of accurate observation is called cynicism
> >> by those who have not got it." - G. B. Shaw
> >>
> >>
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