Re: Silveira DENIED Certiorari

ben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: 

> On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 12:05:06 GMT, Mongo Jones
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
>>> In talk.politics.guns ben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 00:20:51 GMT, Mongo Jones
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> In talk.politics.guns ben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 22:36:46 GMT, Mongo Jones
>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> In talk.politics.guns ben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Millions of Americans are having their gun rights
>>>>>>> trampled every day, and the NRA is now getting around
>>>>>>> to fighting a three decade old law that was
>>>>>>> unconstitutional the day it was passed. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tell us what YOU have been doing since that day thirty
>>>>>> years ago. Be specific.
>>>>>
>>>>> The vast majority of that time was spent in various
>>>>> schools getting an education.  Now I work for a living.
>>>>>  At no time in the last 27 years did I live in
>>>>> Washington D.C. or claim to be a gun rights activist. 
>>>>
>>>> I see. So, basically, you've done nothing to protect
>>>> your rights as a gun owner.
>>>>
>>>> But you feel perfectly free to chastise the NRA for just
>>>> "now getting around to fighting" a unconstitutional law.
>>>
>>> You need to work on your understanding of context.  My
>>> post was in reply to a well known NRA operative gloating
>>> about a case that the NRA did not support being dropped
>>> by SCOTUS, and using it as an opportunity to plug their
>>> own 27 year too late suit. 
>>
>>> As I pointed out, neither case affects my daily life, so
>>> I stick with local issues.  I think it could be a good
>>> thing if SCOTUS determined that gun control was a state's
>>> issue.  It would remove all of the cumbersome federal
>>> regulations, and force all of the restrictions to be 
>>> made at the state level where IME individuals have much
>>> more influence. 
>>
>> Context my ass. You criticize the NRA and yet you do
>> nothing. That's been established.
>>
>> Do you think the NRA can just conjure up a lawsuit when it
>> feels the need?
> 
> Absolutely.  Every single American who has been "delayed"
> by NICS is a potential lawsuit.  Every resident of MA, CA,
> or DC.  Is a potential lawsuit.  So yes, I do think the NRA
> can conjure up a lawsuit when it feels like it.  Problem
> is, I don't think they feel like it.  BTW, when Cato filed
> the current DC gun ban lawsuit, the NRA initially tried to
> block it by having the ban lifted by congress in order to
> AVOID having the case go to SCOTUS.

So sue them.

> So I ask you, what specifically has the NRA done lately to
> protect my RKBA? 

The NRA has never established binding legal precedent for any 
personal right under the Second Amendment.

What they don't tell you is that you have perfectly good gun 
rights under state law which would be safe through the 
states' reserved power of the internal police under the Tenth 
Amendment - but not nearly as profitable for the gunlobby and 
gun manufacturers as their historical and legal fictions.

Which you believe without verification.

>  Slowing the tide when many are already drowning doesn't
>  count. 

You're hysterical, so just remember the gunlobby lied to you 
when it said you have a personal gun right under the Second 
Amendment.  They just wanted your money.  The gun 
manufacturers just wanted you to buy new guns.

It's that simple.

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Throughout its existence, while  mightily benefiting from 
its ties to the Pentagon, the NRA has been primarily 
interested in its commercial task; in reality, while 
claiming to be the font of citizen soldiers, this patriotism 
has been a front for a mammoth  promotional operation  for 
the gun, ammunition, and  sporting-goods industries. The 
powers behind the NRA were accurately proportioned in the 
booths at the NRA Centennial exhibit hall: a hundred and 
seven commercial exhibitors, ranging from Abercrombie & 
Fitch (antique and  modern high-grade  guns), J. G. 
Anschutz, GmbH, c/o Savage Arms (precision target and 
shooting rifles and accessories),  Bausch  &  Lomb  (rifle 
telescope sights, spotting scopes,  and sunglasses),  down 
the alphabet to Winslow Co. of Venice,  Florida,  dealers in 
sporting  rifles; fourteen  booths for collectors' 
organizations; five booths  for every  branch of the 
military  service;  half  a  dozen  booths for such  outfits 
as  the Amateur Trapshooting Association. That's a ratio of 
more  than four to one commercial. And that is a 
conservative proportioning.


Sherill, Robert. The Saturday Night Special and Other Guns 
With Which Americans Won the West, Protected Bootleg 
Franchises, Slew Wildlife, Robbed Countless Banks, Shot 
Husbands Purposely and by Mistake & Killed Presidents -
Together with the Debate Over Continuing Same. NY: 
Charterhouse, 1973.  211-12.


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