Re: Progressives must unify to topple the fascist dictator

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (ulTRAX) wrote in
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> Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ulTRAX) wrote in
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>> >> But you'll never convince the majority that "the US is the most
>> >> anti-democratic and dysfunctional nation on the planet". 
>> > 
>> > I'm well aware that most citizens have stopped making intellectual
>> > progress in this area probably back in 4th grade. Most go though
>> > life placing the will of  dead historical figures above their own
>> > interests.  Most actually believe the rest of the advanced
>> > democracies have a system like ours when in reality they reject it.
>> > If you want to break out of your ideological blinders may I suggest
>> > you reading up on proportional representations
>> > http://www.fairvote.org/pr/ 
>> 
>> Well, imperfect as it is, it took us a long time to get where we are.
>> Some countries are still in the stone age.
>> 
>> Start your own party, or start your own country but you'll get
>> absolutely nowhere with a platform based on your irrational claim
>> that sees the US as "the most anti-democratic and dysfunctional 
>> nation on the planet." 
>> 
> I believe my actual quote was: 
>> Anyone talking about changing the outcome Chuckles? Only trying to
>> put things in perspective that our federal system is among the most
>> unrepresentative democracy in the advanced industrial world. Just
>> because there are winners in our system hardly means they truly
>> reflect the will of the people or the consent of the governed. But
>> I'm sure you really don't give a shit about such things. If you
>> did... you'd easily be able to critique our system using those
>> criteria. 
> 
> It's an easy task to prove that our system is unrepresentative and
> Robert Dahl does a comparative study in his book "How Democratic is
> the American Constitution". As for being dysfunctional I think that
> too is easy to prove. Our system has resisted reforms that most all
> other advanced democracies have instituted to better reflect the will
> of their people. When a system routinely provides NO representation to
> half the voters and can produce minority control... that's pretty
> dysfunctional. You see none of the above as problems because you have
> no respect for democratic ideals. If you did... you'd see this on your
> own.

Divided government is good, GOOD, ya hear?

Maybe you prefer the Soviet model. Say, Cuba?