Re: Take Back Your Time Day

test5254 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

>> Socialism and capitalism, as they have usually been actually
>> proposed and realized, are hardly opposites.
> 
> and trading in markets using coins and paper money is hardly capitalism.

That's a market economy with money. I'd call that capitalist, it's what 
every proponent of capitalism calls capitalist, as far as I can tell.  
Meanwhile, some socialists mean, by capitalism, any situation where the 
workers don't own their own means of production, including the USSR. 
Proponents of capitalism don't care about whether or not there is worker 
ownership: if it happens, fine, if it doesn't, also fine. What they care 
about is that the rules are followed. For example, if people get something 
in trade, they have to be able to keep it; it can't be confiscated. 
Otherwise, what was the point of the trade? And the fact is, people build 
businesses with employees (where the employees are not owners) entirely 
through trade. So when socialists bemoan this situation, it looks as though 
they're hankering to expropriate, i.e., rob, the owners, which is a no-no 
in the eyes of proponents of capitalism. And in fact they praise and 
celebrate cases where this actually happens.