Re: U.S. Military Now Committing Overt War Crimes To Coerce Surrenders!

"David Hartung" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in inimitable style:

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> "Winston Smith, American Patriot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> "David Hartung" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in inimitable style:
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>> > "Winston Smith, American Patriot"
>> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>> >> Christian Williamson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in inimitable
>> >> style: 
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>> >> > Winston Smith, American Patriot wrote:
>> >> >> I support the health and well-being of the troops.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> However there can be NO SUPPORT WHATSOEVER for their committing
>> >> >> war crimes!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Kidnapping and the taking of innocent civilians as hostages to
>> >> >> coerce the surrender of those wanted by the military IS a war
>> >> >> crime!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Someone needs to inform the DoD of its illegal and outrageous
>> >> >> position.
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>> >> > First, where did it say in the article that these two women were
>> >> > innocent? For all we know they've been actively assisting in
>> >> > hiding al-Douri.
>> >>
>> >> First, what part of "...American forces have frequently arrested
>> >> relatives of fugitives to interrogate them on their family
>> >> member's whereabouts and as a way of putting pressure on the
>> >> wanted men to surrender" do you NOT understand?????
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>> > If the detention and interogation of dependants provides
>> > information leading to the capture of those responsible for the
>> > attacks on our troops, and on the Iraqi people, then the detentions
>> > are sound policy. The one thing which would make it wrong would be
>> > if our troops were abusing the civilians, and I doubt very
>> > seriously that this is the case.
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>> The arrest/detention of innocent civilians IS abuse!!!
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>> You right wingers are totally fucking UNBELIEVABLE!!  I would say
>> that the manner in which you think is shocking, but that would
>> pre-suppose that you think AT ALL!
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>> Here's a standard you right wingers can follow (I hope):  if whatever
>> the U.S troops are doing in Iraq would outrageous and unacceptable
>> here in the United States if the police are doing it to us, then you
>> can be sure it cannot and should not be done.
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> The simple fact is that our troops in Iraq are fighting a war, a war
> unlike any we have ever fought before, and to place American troops at
> risk simply because some fool(such as Mr. Winston Smith) thinks it is
> abuse, would be foolish.

You cannot hope to occupy a nation peaceably and for long, and to win the 
hearts and minds of the occupied, if you act like the Gestapo and Totenkopf 
SS of Nazi Germany.  It's THAT simple.

The occupying U.S. forces better adopt a different way of interaction with 
the populace, or all of the populace will be hoping to lie in wait to slit 
their throats, just as those under occupation of the Nazis worked 
tirelessly to resist and to kill the soldiers of the occupation, and 
reveled in the pools of blood that drained from their bodies.

> There are people I know serving in Iraq, and
> I wish them to come home alive, so please take your idiotic attitudes
> to some other country! 

The ones who have betrayed the principles by which this country stands and 
who have betrayed the U.S. troops----who are only to be called to risk 
their lives for missions IN DEFENSE OF THE UNITED STATES AND FOR NO OTHER 
PURPOSE----are in the list below, which is certainly only an infinitesimal 
fraction of the traitors of this country:

* George W. Bush (also unindicted for crimes against the peace)
* Richard B. Cheney (unindicted for crimes against the peace)
* Donald Rumsfeld (unindicted for crimes against the peace)
* Colin Powell    (unindicted for crimes against the peace)
* David Hartung